Conclusive Report on 9/11 Incident From the U.K.

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  1. Zombie_Minstrel

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  2. papa wolf

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    Yeah see , here's the thing . There is no , and there will never be any REAL scientific study , investigation , inquiry or true search for the facts and truth . Anything outside of a true science backed independant investigation of actual debris and material , is just speculation and theory . Like farting in the wind . The people don't want the truth , it's pretty clear to see . They believe what the propaganda machine tells them to believe .

    While I do believe that fucking PLANES hit the world trade center buildings and not some "balls" weapon . Nor do I believe I.e.d. devices were " drilled " in before hand . However no true investigation will be done , because the cover up was not in the buildings themselves . Rather in the fact they knew an attack was coming and maybe even knew who the operatives were to carry it out . In order to continue the agenda for globalization .

    First of all , the steel would not of had to have been compleatly melted or severed . Warped by heat would have been all that was needed on all the major supporting beams . The weight of the towers above where the planes hit each building was enough to cause structural failure and collapse . I'm no structural engineer , but I know about tall buildings and steel .

    You also have to remember these were older buildings . Today there is an fireproof insulation sprayed on steel beams to prevent heat from destroying it . I'm sure they didn't have this , as that work in occupied built building with covered over beams from construction would have been difficult and expensive to do . Requiring many trades .

    Something else to keep in mind . Rust destroyes steel . When iron atoms in steel begin to oxidate it starts a chemical reaction in steel which results in rust . Rust weakens and destroys steel . Steel weakens at only 600 degrees , and at 1,020 degrees structural failure becomes a real factor , especially when you consider the weight of the upper floors bearing down on warped or failed steel beams . The impact was more then enough to warp all supporting columbs at the same time . I think it's been said that the temperature with burning high octane plane fuel was 2,700 degrees . These numbers alone PROVE structural failure was and is possible . Again people always think these beams have to be severed , not true warped is all that's needed , with the amount of weight above . And not to mention the weakness at the gusset points of plates over steel .

    While I admitt the buildings fell funny . I would think they would have fallen a little different . And I remember thinking that looks strange . However I don't think it's impossible they fell that way . But all the support beams would of had to sever or warp at the exact same time in both buildings . Which I agree is strange , but not impossible .

    Again just my opinion , and I think it's correct . It's also possible I.e.d.s were used . I don't think so however .

    But flying balls edited out to look like planes , umm no.....come on .

    Again it's all speculation , and will always be so .
     
  3. Dude111

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    Indeed it does however many have wondered if there were NO PLANES due to NO WRECKAGE at any location,etc...... (Well a LACK of wreckage) -- Its all very strange!
     
  4. relaxxx

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    You were expecting a lot of large distinguishable pieces from this type of explosive impact?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFiEgwLQVJk"]9/11: WTC South Tower Plane Crash - YouTube

    There are pictures of engine parts, wheels, and windowed fuselage parts that I'm sure the conspiratards will say is all planted. It must have been one hell of a team to doctor all these videos and plant plane parts and remove any evidence of detonation devices and wiring all in real time in front of thousands of people. Criss Angel must be jealous!
     
  5. storch

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    Papa wolf,

    Actually, here's the thing. FEMA would not allow any independent investigation of the steel. I'm sure they had their reasons. Nor did they, or NIST, test for the use of explsosives. Again, I'm sure they had their reasons. When asked why they didn't test for the use of explosives, they replied, "Why test for something that's not there." Yes, I'm sure they had their reasons. Sort of like the FBI had their reasons for confiscating all of the video-tapes of the plane hitting the Pentagon, and then hiding them from the public domain forever. So, your impression that ". . . the cover-up was not in the buildings themselves" is, in my opinion, a mistaken one.

    And your idea that the steel would not have had to have been completely melted or severed--that if all the major supporting beams were warped by heat--that's all that would be necessary for the crumbling of the whole tower to occur, you must have missed the part of my post that proves that such heat was nonexistent; not according to me, but according to the NIST Report. Your idea that the core structure of a WTC, which is designed to bear a downward,verticle load, failed to do so because the tremendous heat from a five-minute fire from jet fuel, and a twenty-minute office furniture fire is an idea that falls flat on its face. Remember the survivors who lived to tell about it even though they were on the floor of the crash site? Remember the survivors who the firefighters were helping minutes before the tower crumbled? You can't honestly believe that the core-columns were warping or otherwise weakening to the point of crumbling when firefighters were calling for someone to put out two localized fires. Nobody would believe that; hence, the need for the signing of a confidentiality statement among all those who listened to the tape. No one was being incinerated. And if heat rises, the ridiculous theory that the integrity of the core columns were compromised by a fire on the seventy-eighth floor is patently . . . ridiculous.

    You were right to say that you're no structural engineer. I would go further and say that you are also no expert when it comes to the laws of physics, as you seem to be unaware of what happens to a dynamic load when it collides with a static load? Your position is that such a collision would not slow down the dynamic load whatsoever. My position is that that's just wrong. And to prove my point, I'm going to ask you to provide an affidavit or some such thing from the scientist who believes that the dynamic load would not be slowed down by the static load--the scientist who believes that the law of the conservation of momentum was suspended on 9/11. Good luck with that! You said you were no structural engineer, but that you know about tall buildings and steel. You seem to be impying that you understand completely how it is that these towers would crumble as they did. That's a mighty weighty statement in view of the fact that this is the first time that such a thing has occurred! It would seem to me that your assumption is based on no precedent whatsoever. So . . .

    Anyone who views the collapses of all three towers can see that they were brought down by some kind of controlled-demolition. You yourself admitted that no independent investigations took place. So, your argument that there was no controlled-demolition, then, appears to be based on no investigation whatsoever. When something takes place three times in one day, you cannot say that, because you are unaware of the method used to accomplish it, what took place did not occur. That's some kind of fallacy. There were firefighters who said that they witnessed explosions and flairs that went around the building like a belt. You need to ask yourself why the 9/11 Commission Report would omit such testimony--and in fact all testimony from those on the scene. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

    The buildings were what, thirty years old? I'm pretty sure that there was nothing on the receipt that said anything like: Thirty-year warranty.
     
  6. storch

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    Relaxxx,

    Ben Fountain, a financial analyst who worked in the 47th floor of the South Tower, told PeopleMagazine that in the weeks before 9/11 there were numerous unannounced and unusual drills wheresections of both the twin towers and building 7 were evacuated for quote “security reasons.” [104]

    Victor Thorn of Wing TV has reported the WTC 9-11 security concerns of Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc., with offices in the former WTC. Forbes reported that his company was notified three weeks in advance that New York's Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up on the weekend prior to 9-11, ostensibly to implement a computer cabling upgrade. Forbes noted that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC's first occupants after it was erected, and that a "power-down" had never been initiated prior to this occasion.

    Forbes recalled the power was out approximately 36 hours between early Saturday morning (September 8th) and mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) As a result of the power outage, the WTC's security
    cameras, ID systems, and elevators to the upper floors were rendered inoperative. Forbes noted that many "engineers" going in- and-out of the WTC had free access throughout the building due to its inoperative security system. Forbes also noted other security related anomalies: Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.

    Also, a Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.

    Forbes said that even though these disclosures could jeopardize his current employment, he has stepped forward because, "I have mailed this information to many people, including the 9/11 Commission, but no one seems to be registering these facts." [105] Soon after Forbes’
    appearance on Wing TV, he was marginalized by 9/11 truth debunkers because he seemed to vanish.

    Between 2005 and 2006 he has been remotely interviewed at least three times from his home in England. In a Killtown interview, Forbes observed that both main stream and progressive media of other countries have been much more interested in his story than in America. He also noted that, being British, he was eventually interviewed by London police, “but none of my American colleagues were contacted by police or FBI or any agency. Kind of weird.” [106].

    Most recently, Forbes’ statements, which are reasoned and dispassionate, have been used by 9/11 truth debunkers against Ben Fountain [107]. Forbes also stated in an interview that 4-6 weeks before 9/11, there was lots of noise coming from floor 98, above his office. Aeon was moved out, and the floor was vacant. He heard what sounded like heavy machinery work going on; drilling and hammering; like something very heavy being moved and dumped, the force of which was enough to cause his office to shake. On one occasion Forbes said he opened the door to the 98th floor to see what was going on, but the entire office space was empty.

    This correlates with the experience of William Rodriguez in the North Tower, who, as he was climbing stairs to unlock doors on 9/11, “heard strange noises on the 34th floor.” Rodriguez noted that there was

    “nothing on this floor”. No one was supposed to be there, and you can’t even get there without a special key. Rodriguez heard heavy equipment being moved around, it sounded to him like dumpsters withmetal wheels. Rodriguez was afraid to open the door to floor 34 with his master key.

    The week before9/11, Forbes noticed lots of dust in the building “The dust was incredible; it was filthy; dirty gray dust.

    http://www.seattle911visibilityproject.org/rwtcpdf.pdf
     
  7. GLENGLEN

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    Thank You For Posting That Link Storch, Took About An Hour

    And A Half To Read, But Well Worth It...:).



    Cheers Glen.
     
  8. relaxxx

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    Where's the bangs? Where's conclusive validated evidence?
    Demolition conspiratards got nothing.
    Seriously, anyone who thinks a demolition was possible needs their head examined.
    It is so absolutely impossible and retarded, get professional help!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEwY8uZ4BAI"]Kevin Cosgrove's LIVE 911 call as he DIES - YouTube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tacYjsS-g6k"]9/11 Debunked: Controlled Demolition Not Possible - YouTube
     
  9. storch

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    You know, Relaxxx, every time I prove you wrong, you come back with more questions that have already been answered. And somehow, you believe that this doesn't say anything about your credibility. So, how is it that you never lose your credibility after having been corrected? At what point do you suppose you come across as simply talking out your ass because you won't do your own research?

    I would suggest to you that that point has come and gone, and you are simply unaware of its passing.
     
  10. relaxxx

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    you're clueless and not even worth more than a one line response!
     
  11. storch

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    Relaxxx,

    If I'm not worth even a one line response, why did you just post one? You unwittingly contradict yourself at every turn.

    Anyway, I think you need to see this:

    "I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions." [Craig Carlsen -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]

    One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed.

    Paramedic captain stated "somewhere around the middle of the world trade center there was this orange and red flash coming out initially it was just one flash then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode the popping sound and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as could see these popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger going both up and down and then all around the building."

    Police officer stated "you would hear a loud boom go off at the top of tower one. As the building continued to burn and emergency equipment kept on responding stirring up the dust and debris in the streets. After approximately 15 minutes suddenly there was another loud boom at the upper floors, then there was a series of smaller explosions which appeared to go completely around the building at the upper floors. And another loud earth-shattering blast with a large fire ball which blew out more debris and at that point everyone began to run north on West Broad Street."

    NYC firefighter stated “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.”

    A witness heard the following, right before the collapse of one of the towers : "It sounded as if you had a hundred of those . . . firecrackers and you lit them all off at once . . . it sounded like the finale of the Fourth of July over the East River."
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    Do you understand now why the 9/11 Commission report omitted the testimonies of firefighters? I sure hope so!
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    NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli Says 9/11 Commission Twisted His Words Fireman Cacchioli relates his experiences of that day, these are his last three paragraphs: Cacchioli was called to testify privately, but walked out on several members of the committee before they finished, feeling like he was being interrogated and cross-examined rather than simply allowed to tell the truth about what occurred in the north tower on 9/11. "My story was never mentioned in the final report and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn’t let me do that, I walked out. "It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don’t agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible."

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    Oddly, I don't mind being clueless. It actually feels . . . ok! Especially when I consider the alternative.
     
  12. GardenGuy

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    The obvious solution to this debate is to crash a jetplane into another building somewhere and see if you get similar effect to 9/11.
     
  13. relaxxx

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    The whole event is obvious. That there's even a debate about it is fucking retarded. These people need mental help. It's just stupid people with their stupid clueless misinformed bullshit. It's a sad fucking disgrace and disservice to the victims of this attack.

    Storch, I don't even read your posts. I can't be bothered with that level of bullshit nonsense.
     
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    Wow! Nothing but angry insults. No rebuttal to the facts. Why am I not surprised? You think I just made all that stuff up about what the firefighters, police, and paramedics said? Really?

    So, you can't be bothered with my level of bullshit nonsense, huh? Too bad you didn't know that about yourself before you joined in on the disgrace and disservice to the victims. I'm a clueless conspiratard. What the hell is your excuse?
     
  15. RooRshack

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    Ballllls of steeeeelllll.......
     
  16. storch

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    Balls of steel! No brag, just fact.
     
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    Steel balls meets coconuts!! Foregone conclusion . . .
     
  18. Dude111

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    Yeah, and there's also a video of a big bang just before WTC 7 collapses. I didn't post it because I was afraid he'd say it was thunder.
     
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    Thunder? Not likely. It was a cloudless calm day.
     

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