Communism is pretty much a moot point. It was a Utopian idea, which has never worked (outside of small, family linked societies) and it's time is over. China is not pure communist. The only reason it's economy is growing is that it is accepting capitalist ideas and practices. Also, even for limited Communism to work in China, repression of the people was overwelming. We don't even know the extent of the human rights violations in that country. If you give a small group of people ALL the same amount, within a short time, some will already have MORE than others, and some will have sqandered what they were given and have returned to zero. Some humans are driven, some are lazy and uninspired, most are somewhere in between. This is the reason Communism simply doesn't work. One cannot change human nature.
Where and who are you talking about? Some fantasy utopian dream? You aren't talking about something that really exists, are you? If something hasn't happened, chances are, there are good reasons for it not ever being a reality. This is the reason why talking about utopias is so silly. There are too many shitheads and lazy people for utopias to ever make it.
You posted this thread somewhere else, too, and I responded there, but just for the record here was my response: It just doesn't work. I prefer democratic socialism.
The definition of communism and socialism are always changing. The Chinese "communist" regime simply represents the most modern and up to date form of it. Essentially they've accepted that capitalism can work quite cooperatively with the socialist sector. I wouldn't deny that more of China's state buisness will be privatized in coming years ahead. But the central core, the companies that have formed the natural monopolies I spoke of will always stay in place. They are quite profitable and can actually stimulate growth in the private sector. And if Vietnam is any indication, over-privatization can actually be damaging to a countries economy. Communists...socialists...whatever they are, the Chinese seem to have taken the best of both worlds and formed a sort of equilibrum. I'd guess this is the wisest approach, as it would probably prevent alot of the economic depressions and downturns that are so common in societies that are heavily capitalistic or socialistic.
lmao the same three points against communism all over again.... get real people... man these forums are going to shit..
i can't speak from experience, but perhaps the same people keep bringing up the same arguments because countering arguments don't sway them?
There was a similar attitude in Russia in the 1930s after the great depression. Who would have ever thought capitalism could ever rebuild itself after the tremendous downturn it had taken? Communism, just like any political philosophy rises and falls, again and again.
No political system stays for good, so the only place that capitalism can take us is to communism or socialism. After a while that stage will fall, and we will take on a new system.
that's none of my business, and its none of their business what i'm eating. I don't need to give out hand outs on stuff I earned.
If you earned it, you spend it any way you wish. Even if my meals are bread and water I prefer my freedom over government hand outs. Evolution is not achieved by revolution, but instead through the efforts of individuals who achieve. Communism and all philosophies that precede along the path to its achievement exercise devolution. A non-political tale, but of interest to those who prefer to advance society. A Swiss company achieved a great breakthrough in technology by creating the thinnest wire ever produced, and to demonstrate their superior capabilities they sent a roll of the wire to a Japanese wire manufacturer. A month or so later the roll of wire was returned, and the Swiss companies CEO phoned the Japanese companies CEO to boast of their achievement. The Japanese CEO calmly replied, "Have you examined the wire you sent us closely yet?", to which the response was "No." and he then added "If you will look closely, the roll no longer contains wire, but is now tubing." The moral to the story is that great success tends to lead to even greater success. We strive to accomplish the best we can in life, but there is always someone who will do better, if allowed. We may not all initially benefit equally from the success of others, but in most cases we or our offspring do.
have been re-reading marx and engels to refresh my tired old brain much of it still important and vital and true there's still that pseudo-science problem though, so weeding is in order . . . and some terms/concepts could stand to be be updated the problem with capitalism has not gone away
The real thing is do you believe that at least most or all business should be privately owned. If you answered yes you're a capitalist in some form. Capitalism =/= laissez faire capitalism
as a person who does own their own business, two in fact . . . no, i do not believe most or all businesses should be privately owned i would give up one of my own in a heartbeat if i could - i own it out of desperation [have to pay rent somehow] the other? mostly i do community-based non-profit work on a pro bono basis, so, in a strange sense, i already don't own it
