Communism/Socialism and poverty

Yes and you have failed to show one regulation...you linked to a .pdf survey conducted by some inspiring patriotic named 'institute' of which I'm sure I would find affiliated with some right-wing think tank or another if I were to research it, but I'm not going to open a pdf to find out.

BTW, Big Agri corps need reigning in obviously...thats one thing definitely hurting small farms.

 

uumm, helping the mentally ill is obviously another challenge.

 

"right-wing," you've just told me where you stand. You, must be a liberal (or a leftist.)

I'm a libertarian but I just like to say; I support Liberty in itself. What is your grand idea for government? buy houses,cars and, food for everyone? Because what would really end up happening under communism is; business would leave, more jobs would be shipped overseas and, the National debt will continue to rise. The government will continue to grow. Communism has never been successful, and it certainly wont be in a place like America, where everyone wants the new Iphone!!!

It's time to grow up a little bit. The government can't be everybodies mother, without it being too big, and too invasive. We have too many laws, too many cameras, too much government corruption and, far too much tolerance for a broken system!

 

But the US economy is and has always been capitalist (regulated to varying degrees).

The main difference between capitalism and socialism is ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is private (or individual) ownership, socialism is collective (or group) ownership.

Business can be highly regulated and capitalist (owned by a private individual).

The USSR government owned the means of production but it was not truly socialist because society did not collectively own the means of production. A tiny minority (ruled by a dictator) owned the means of production.

Capitalist America and Stalinist USSR (are/were) both authoritarian (opposite of libertarian).

 

Ha! you dodge again! You've got nothing but empty rhetoric

"I support liberty itself"

lol....liberatarian huh? go suck ron pauls dick then, I'm done with your fool-ass

 

You're just pissing in the wind with that "less government" republican b.s.. Shrub and the cons doubled the national debt from $5.5 trillion to over $11 trillion in eight years. They destroyed a $300 billion annual surplus in Shrubs first six months. If that surplus would have been used to pay off the national debt, it would only be $1.5 trillion now, and your taxes would be lower. The interest on the national debt is over a half trillion dollars per year. Paying off the national debt at $30 billion per month will take 1500 years to pay off. If you wanted lower taxes, you shouldn't have let Shrub give $3 trillion to millionaires, and waste another $3 trillion on that stupid Iraq war. You can't keep giving welfare to millionaires and creating wars, an just continue to put it on the credit card.

The house republicans just voted to block Obama's curbing of outsourcing jobs to China. That creates more unemployment. Reducing the government creates more unemployment. Destroying Social Security creates more unemployment. Destroying welfare creates more unemployment. More unemployment creates more crime and a prison society. It costs a lot more to keep people in prison than on Social Security and welfare. You're not the solution, you're the problem.

 

What a stupid argument this has turned into.

 

Thanks for the two cents worth, but bubble gum is a quarter now.

 

Firstly, don't automatically assume I'm a republican, cause I'm not!!! Actually I was one of you stupid liberals till your fucking jesus, Obama took over.

Yeah government spending creates jobs; for the government. They charge us, the people, then build your mentioned "prisons," courthouses, etc. and rob us blind.

People like you are the fucking problem, cause you fail to see that the left and right are in bed together, and working against US.

What's 3 trillion here and 3 trillion there, when the federal reserve just printed 13 trillion dollars and gave it to overseas banks.

Do you honestly STILL support OBAMA after the NDAA, CISPA, NDRP and, the disclose act? After he made it illegal to protest around the secret service?

Yeah, stupid leftist like you are fine with government oppression, as long as it's done by a democrat.

 

I consider myself a leftist who is against government oppression and I’m not a democrat.

 

Okay, and you're a cool dude. Sorry to generalize. But seriously the left (generally) needs to have a little more respect for Libertarians, at least we fighting the good fight on the right side of the political isle.

Yeah, I may be opposed to abortion and gun laws, but i'm also opposed to meaningless wars (including the war on drugs.) and crony capitalism (insider trading and what-have-you.)

Many leftist can say this or that about capitalism in general, but few will take those beliefs and actually call JP Morgen, and tell them "My TARP money pays your salary." or write a negative letter, telling the white house and Obama that their actions are unconstitutional, like I do.

I support OWS,The tea party and ANY and all systems that oppose the current one. But Libertarianism is an American ideology based on personal liberty, and I hold that belief closest to heart, because I feel that's what the people surrender with every passing law. (included mandated healthcare.)

Human needs > Corporate greed. But as Americans, we should be able to keep the fruits of our labor, and not expect the government to kick in our doors, take away our guns and tax us into submission. That's where America is headed (in my opinion.) and exactly why I don't side with the left.

I like guns and I don't like taxes!! If anyone here has a job, I think you can understand why I feel that way. 100$ out of 500$ goes instantly to NY State, then 9 cents on every dollar spent, THEN double taxation on second hand items. Under a communist system, you may go to school for 8-12 years to become a doctor, and only make the same as a Mc Donalds employee.

That's not an America I would want to live in, and I would leave the country immediately if 60-75% of my money went to support other people, and an overgrown government.

 

anarcho-communism anyone?

 

Number one, I've been a registered independent since 1996.
Number two, I voted for Ralph Nader the last four elections.
Number Three, that means I didn't vote for Obama in 2008.
Number four, I didn't vote for Obama because I understand that both the dems and repubs are equally responsible for the $15 trillion national debt.
Number five, the dems are spineless, that's why the cons were able to raise the national debt $11 trillion dollars since Ronnie Raygun was POTUS. And because they are spineless, the cons have been able to obstruct all liberal efforts to fix the mess the cons and Shrub created.
Number six, Clinton (a liberal) was the only POTUS to ever leave office with a balanced budget and an annual surplus.
Number seven, just because I'm a liberal doesn't make me a dem.
Number eight, if you think Romney and the cons are going to make things better than Obama, you're at stupid in the mirror.

 

so who is going to help the elderly , disabled and uneducated poor?

 

ditto

 

The problem here in the USA is we are too big and we should break us down to about 6 countries so we the people can get a better grasp on what is happening.

 

The illegitimate multi-national corporate person is also too big and should be put down.

 

Wtvr, it's impossible to converse with you. Clinton a Liberal? LMAO he had more marijuana arrests than any other president. He's a member of the Bilderburg group and, was allowing drug cartels to smuggle cocaine in the US but still arresting the little guy for possession.

If clinton is your idea of a "liberal," have fun with that! At least Libertarians believe in ENDING this bullshit war on drugs.

Secondly I said nothing about Romney. IMO he's a white Obama, but still, Obama is a liar and a fuck-up, who works for elite bankers and the Bilderburg group. Whether you stupid Liberals like it or not.

 

Yo moron, if it wasn't for liberals you wouldn't have pot to smoke. But I doubt you do. Libertarians are just a bunch of republicans trying to hide their guilt. And just because you're to stupid to know, I'll clue you in. This is a liberal forum, so go pedal you bull shit on one of the hate forums. Pft!

 

For the record, Clinton did not balance the budget, and he didn't create a surplus.

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