Combos (not the snack)

Well I've never taken it, but I would agree that for a first time combo, that looks like a LOT of mescaline, even if it's around 40%.

 

^^that would make it ~300 mg mescaline acetate. shulgin's recommended dosage range is 186-371 mg (of the acetate), so it's really not that much.

would be like combo-ing with 20 mg 2cb, or 125 mg MDMA

(all of those are near his upper limit)

i think i might dose the 900 mg next time i do mescaline (solo) and then i'll know if ~780 mg will be alright in a combo with one hit of L

 

Especially after Spicey Cat's reviews I think the mescaline + LSD is a must, that's a combo I would like to try at some point.

GM had great reviews of 2cb + LSD so that sounds like a good one, 2cb has been at least interesting with everything i've mixed it with.

Since you like them both alot mixing 2cb +2ce would most likely be a great trip, it's not something I have a ton of interest in trying but I imagine you'd enjoy it.

 

^^^pretty spot on!

i meant to ask in the bump thread...have you mixed 2cb with sex? i found it really bizzare, but still great. not quite as amazing as i remember it to be on LSD, though i haven't done that in several years (sex on L, i've done L)

 

I took 20 mgs 2cb and had sex on it, I enjoyed it but I didn't find it as hyped up as Shulgin made it out to be. Much like the general effects I found it's sexual nature balanced somewhere in between the extremely sensual feelings of Ecstasy but not quite lost in the 'beauty' of the experience and not as animalistic as the feelings of LSD but still somewhat of a primal feeling. When I had sex on LSD (4 hits) the 2nd time I found it kind of weird and some of the hallucinations were rather distracting for me when having sex.

 

"distracted" and "animalistic" are pretty good adjectives for what it was like on 2cb

 

I did it only 2 times so far. Once I first took 1.5 hit of some quite strong Shivas and took all together 30mg of 2c-b. It was wonderful...I would probably go higher with 2c-b if it was more comfortable with current setting.

Other time I took 4 good hits and latter added only 10mg of 2c-b. It did add something to already quite cheerful but at same time a bit frustratingly clear headed trip from that acid...it was either some analog or in fact real LSD as it was bought as "family acid" and not as usually from EU friends.

And about DMT... man put 20 - 25mg in pipe and start making friends in other dimensions... not that you will see some entities at that dose but you'll be surprised how visuals and whole trip feel really cosmically - organic and meditatively - orgasmic.

 

i've heard that there is GREAT synergy between mescaline and dmt.


and 2c-b+mdma is something that everybody on here should try...because HOLY FUCK.

 

Mescaline and dmt was quite nice, just dissolved into the dmt space rather than blasting off.

Acid & mescaline was kind of mushy at low doses, I can imagine high doses would be better.

But I still think Acid & Mushrooms is the best combo, with acid and 2c-i in close second.

 

Other than the clear-headedness of it, were there any other differences you'd say? body load? visuals? synesthesia? euphoria?

I've heard elsewhere that "family acid" is not LSD, it's some lysergic analogue that's much "easier" than the real deal, for festival use and such.

 

by "mushy" do you mean like mushrooms?

where did you hear this?

 

Yeah, there where some other differences too. I would say that feeling was even cleaner than from usual EU acid. Visual where somehow a bit less fractal and a bit less in form of patterns but than again it was supposedly 400mics and I did experienced strong and wonderful visuals so it's hard to say ... Next time I get that stuff I would like to dose it somewhere between 500 and 1000mics and really enjoy it as with 400mics even I wasn't really disappointed with visuals and general intensity, part of the trip I was quite frustrated I wasn't experiencing something what I'm used to experience with higher doses (in short - it wasn't very deep experience) of acid and next time I wont expect that (even I know 10strip would send me out of space but not in the same way as acid I'm used to eat). Exactly as you say it was much, much "easier"!!! So easy you just want to eat a 10strip ... I wonder how many people who are used to that kind of acid, even if they eat high doses, would want eat more than few of some standard EU 80 - 120mics blotters.

Yeah, some people think it's some LSD analog but who knows..... It's not well accepted to say something like that when it comes to "family".

 

the times that i've taken WoW blotter have been, generally, stronger than the EU stuff (shivas, buddhas, red star microdots). the EU stuff is "easier" in my experience, but the differences aren't THAT great, so i would believe that they are both genuine LSD

 

Be wary of smoking DMT while peaking on my pretty mistress, Lucy. I have done this 4 times now and each time I reach trans formative trance-inducing plateaus of a tryptamine rush where the world collapses in on itself and a new one is reborn. INTENSE once experienced as you are so out of your head that you may even forget how you wound up in such a psychedelic position.

The only part I really don't like about the combo is that I really need to come down after an intense DMT journey, but with the acid I was sober for about 10 seconds after the peak of the DMT wore off. After these quiet 10, I was flooded again in a wave of powerful energy that did not give in for another 9 hours. Powerful stuff we're dealing with and Lucy does not enjoy being interrupted by anyone (except her gf 'mary jane').

Good luck! I'm very curious how your experiences will be; definitely give us a report if they do happen. Very cool and intriguing combos! My interest is piqued

 

00:00: 1/2 of the Mescaline and (if you desire) MAOI
+1:00 to + 1:30 (or when you feel an alert): 2nd half of Mescaline dose and LSD dose.



Okay, some random thoughts:

Don't fear your mescaline dose. If you want it to be visionary, EAT IT ALL (in combination or by itself). Mescaline is underrated until one gets into higher doses - this according to my experience and everyone I've spoken with. Others may have other ideas.

LSDMT is one of the most amazing combos in existence, especially if one has good, strong LSD, takes a high dose and smokes about 60mgs (there is competition at the receptor site so use a slightly higher dose than usual) of DMT at the peak. For me this is a guaranteed ego-death/mystical experience. Very, very hard for me to do, but well worth it when I do do it.

Finally, you can make changa with herbs that contain zero MAOI such as peppermint, lavendar, mullein, etc.

 

Do you mean mescaline is underwhelming until higher doses?

I have only had one low dose of mescaline acetate but I find a foot of the cacti to be a sufficient entactogenic semi-visionary experience on it's own as where the low dose of the extracted mescaline I had was underwhelming. I'm curious to try a higher dose of extracted mescaline to see how it compares to higher doses of full cacti. 2 1/2 feet of the cacti was a pretty stellar trip for me and I think that's a good amount of mescaline, you should try that amount of the brew. You like ayahuasca so I think your stomach should be able to handle it.

 

i've tried lsd + 2ce,,, only combi i've had,,,, it was at flaming lips concert,,, Fun,, powerful,,, but not powerful enough to render me not able to function in the environments,,, don't remember whole much about it,,, were sept 2009,, and not go into whole lot of detail,,, i wouldnt call it 'mystical' or anything,,, I saw a lot of satanic symbols

 

Here are my thoughts, one is tie between two combos, but there are four 'categories' all around.

1) 300mg MDMA + 300ug LSD or 2.5g Psilocybe cyanescens + 300mg MDMA: Now I know you're not a fan of Molly, but two things to consider, candyflipping/or hippieflipping are about the most popular combos in the sike world for a reason. With Lucy and Molly, you get Lucy's magnification of your mind, you lose the confusion, and Molly adds to Lucy's analytical, thought-provoking nature. With Molly and shrooms, you get that magical fairy land touch of the shroom, only with the absence of delerium, a serious mindfuck, and instead revelations and "Eureka!" moments.

2) 45mg 2C-T-2 + 55mg 4-HO-MiPT*: With this combo you get the best synesthesia I've ever had (some people get annoyed with either of their vibrational body loads, I love their vibrations all doubled up!), additionally, you feel more 'you' than on 2C-T-2 alone, and you feel less like you're having an artificial experience like with how 4-HO-MiPT can sometimes offer alone (likewise, no psychological discomfort like on 2C-T-2's affects alone. But you get a combo of both 4-HO-MiPT's heavy, heavy colorful world, and likewise heavily colored world smashed together with 4-HO-MiPT's gigglish world, but rather than that alone, you get the serious motion-related visuals of 2C-T-2, and even a pinch of its suggestivity, which the 4-HO-MiPT makes fun as hell!

*I actually smoked a bit of DMT on this combo, which really drew out the hallucinations just about from being the ephemeral to semi-transparent and totally realistic! Not only that, 2C-T-2's MAOI effect extended the effects of everything else by quite a bit. After smoking the DMT, I was in DMTland for over a 1/2 hour.

3) 300mg MDMA + 45mg 2C-B + 35mg 2C-E:

This was one of the most serene, meditative trips I've ever had. I appeared to achieve Nirvana, or, Tabula Rasa, a totally clean slate... nothing but blissful thoughts for who knows now long. It was well worth the trip, well, well, worth the trip. I doubt you'll do it since it's three sikes (like the one above) but when you finally reach a point that that no longer hinders you, if you ever do, try this.

4) 100mg aMT 45mg 5-MeO-DiPT + 80mg 4-HO-MET + 75mg DMT + 20mg 5-MeO-DMT:

I had forgotten when posting my TR that I'd accidentally taken 15mg more of 5-MeO-DiPT, but once it started hitting, it just kept climbing, and climbing and CLIMBLING! At one point or another the MAOI antidepressant affect of the aMT made everything happy-go-lucky, and also potentated the 5-MeO-DiPT and 4-HO-MET, because it got to the point at which (before deciding the smoke the bowl clean of DMT/5-MeO-DMT) I was seeing layers of hallucinations upon layers of layers of layers of layers of hallucinations, I then smoked the mix in the bowl and went somewhere else. This is THEE highest I've ever been, and it lasted into the next day, a day that I'll never forget/let myself forget, and another day to always remember just following that one. But the aMT adds that happy element to the trip (I suppose the reason Writer used it with his g/f for a first trip), the 5-MeO-DiPT adds a certain hyper, not speedy, but hyper element to the trip, and the 4-HO-MET are similar to much, much more visual psilocybin mushrooms without the element of a complete mindfuck (in fact nothing fucked with my brainz, until I smoked). When I smoked, though, I felt totally at peace, calm, and at one with everything. The whole of everything and nothing alike made sense for however long I was in hyper-hyperspace, and the "elves" were actually friendly with me. This isn't a trip for the faint of heart, but one day maybe you'll be up for it!

 

I am learning about mescaline and cactus as I go, but I find low doses of mescaline to be very underrated. For mescaline acetate I need to be in the 800 mgs to 1+gram range. I've never tried mescaline sulfate or hydrochloride. The mescaline that came out of my San Pedro and ayahuasca mixture was mysterious to me. I'm guessing those gorgeous clear crystalline shards where mescaline hydrochloride, with maybe the HCl being taken off of the harmalas from the aya brew. Pure speculation on my part.

Now, cactus, in particular, San Pedro cactus, has a lot of other alkaloids, and thus is a significantly different trip from mescaline in my opinion.

I find full spectrum cactus and cactus resin to be fascinating at any dose. I get effects ranging from a nice warm, MDMA type feeling to a full blown trip.

 

@Spicey: Until a few days ago, I had approx. 550g of Peruvian Torch, which though some say the mescaline content varies greatly in the Trichocereus peruvianus species, I say (from my subjectively high mescaline containing specimen) phewey to all that mumbo-jumbo; everything I've read says it unilaterally has the highest mescaline content of all mescaline cacti, with the exception of mature peyote. Like San Pedro, though, T. peruvianus and T. bridgesii contain their own distinctly unique alkaloid content, which I personally deem "dirty" mescaline as worthy for those other alkaloids.

I asked you the other day if you did the acetone removal stage, the final stage, to get as pure of mescaline as one can get from cacti sort of for this reason. I'd probably do the acetone removal if I had enough cactus, just to see what the ratio of other alkaloids to mescaline was, and then when dried back out, since I'd make sulphate as it's the strongest from all I've read (with hydrochloride or bromide next, then acetate, then citrate your weakest), I'd encapsulate 900mg of mescaline sulphate to each capsule, and scrape together an equal dose of the 'junk' alkaloids into each capsule along with the mescaline.

I'm not certain that I'd agree it's so much like a MDMA roll at full dose, but mescaline is very 'shiny', 'sparkly', 'earthy', 'joyful', 'loving', 'dreamy' (in fact my peaks almost feel like waking dreams in a way) and definitely 'empathetic' and 'energetic' (in the 'loving', 'empathetic', and 'energetic' ways, mescaline is highly, empathogenic, so in that essence it has similar traits to Molly.

But to me, that's like people saying every acetoxy and hydroxy tryptamine is similar to mushrooms. Miprocin ain't a thing like shrooms, nor is Iprocin, Metocin is only a teensy-weensy bit, and I really don't find 4 Aces to be too similar either.

Hehe, I'm a wee bit lost on what you PM'ed me vs. what I just read. If the shards were presumably mesclaine HCl, then your B. caapi must have had its harmalas extracted with some kind of muriatic or hydrochloric acid, or am I missing something here altogether?