I undestand that, but our eyes are not taught that blue and yellow equal green, that is simply the color that they see. On another test, have someone mix up those colors, then have different people say what color they see. Everyone will say they see the same color, even though they didn't know which 2 colors were mixed to get it.....
Still doesn't matter man. Goddam this is hard to explain... Everyone will call the colors the same thing, but might not physically SEE them the same way. It doesn't matter if you know what two colors go together to make "orange" all that matters is that we know that color to be orange and name it correctly.
Unless you already understand it, it's pretty hard to understand... You just have to 'get it' you know...
I completely understand it, but my 1st example disproves it. My 2nd arguement was stupid and wrong. The fact is that colors reflect certain wavelenghts and people see them the same. Colorblindness is not seeing certain colors different than they are, its the inability to see certain colors. Lets think my example through completely. Person A tells children B, C, and D to make the color named "orange" (assuming B, C, D cannot see each other's color palettes) Now person A sees Orange as a mix of red and yellow. Person Bs eyes sees orange as a mix of blue and red. Person Cs eyes sees orange as a mix of blue and yellow. Person Ds eyes sees orange as a mix of red and yellow. When they mix they colors person: B makes what A perceives as purple. C makes what A perceives as green. D makes what A perceives as orange. Person A will most certainly know he is not seeing the same colors. Another example: Person A shows 3 children who have no learned color theory or names of colors. They are shown a purple piece of paper and told to make the color that the paper is. Children are given the three primary colors and told to make the color that they have seen through experimenting until they have reproduced that color. They all will eventually conclude that "red" and "blue" make the color they have seen. This would not be coincedence that they all found the the same colors to make the color they had seen. If they did indeed have a difference in perception such as color blindness, the one with the colorblindness would be different from the others. Think about it, if you can come up with refutation to either one of those scenarios I'd love to hear it.
It probably depends on the way our neurons are set up in our optic nerve or something. If you have any experience with shrooms, you would know that purple can be percieved as green or orange as blue, etc. If someone's brain is permanately set up that way from birth, they dont know any better.
okay, i think i have a way to clear up the confusion... so let's say that A sees purple. ask A to make purple, and A will mix red and blue. A sees green. ask A to make green, and A will mix blue and yellow. B sees green where A sees purple. likewise, when B sees purple, A sees green. so if this argument works, the difference comes from the eye itself, not the wavelengths... the frequency/wavelength is objective, our experience of it is not. when A mixes red and blue to make purple, it is contingent upon red appearing blue to B, and likewise (what A percieves as) blue would appear yellow to B. so purple would be a mix of red and blue. does this work and make sense? ** edit: or rather, a subjectively different experience of one color necessitates an objective change in the perception of all other colors. being color blind is different, because you lack cones and thus cannot have the same "subjective" perceptions... so you would have an objectively different perception of a subjective experience.
ok, all the kids are going to mix their colors. so they mix and mix all the paints till they get what they consider to be "orange" and compare. The mixtures of all the kids will be "orange" (same wavelengths, close anyways, since it'd be hard for everyone to make the exact same shade of orange). Each may still precieve it different, the first kid sees orange, the second sees orange, the third sees orange. Each may have their own perception, while the objective color (defined by wavelength) is the same. Get it?
yes, exactly! the primary colors -- or rather, the foundation of their knowledge -- must be structured in a way that is logically true with what they 'mix' or learn as true based upon that foundation. you won't percieve blue and red to make yellow when mixed... that is irrational (unless you're on shrooms ). whatever you perceive as red and blue will mix together to create what is perceived as purple... no matter what your individual interpretation of that specific color is. you will not rationally structure your knowledge/experience of color in a way that says 1+2=4.
Chaos i get exactly what you mean...... it's like in that movie....with meg ryan, and nicholas cage, something about, "what does a pear taste like to you" i never actually saw the movie.....but whenever i think about this colour thing, i think about that explanation thing from that movie. It's not about what is scientific or whatnot, it's what everyone sees for themselves..... try it without using actual colour names..... grass may be the same colour as leaves to me yes, but that colour may be different to someone else...it may be the colour as i see a pumpkin and an orange. I also think a lot about how many colours we're NOT seeing.....eep!
This might sound really, really weird but here goes: How many different colors are there? How many different colors can you name? I've got a hunch that the more colors you can name, the more different colors you can perceive--which is *not* the same things as the colors you can see.
Okay how about this, what if you had kids right. And putting all the color theories behind for a second, and assuming everyone see's the same colors, with the same names, You teach your kids that say orange is blue and green is red and purple is brwon and so on and so on. Then tell them that no matter what anyone else says to aways beleive their parents (meaning you) Then they go to kindergarten. . . and well their minds get a little fucked up. I mean that's really mean, but think about how confused you could make someone. You could do the same things with shapes and animals and everything basically. They could just go through life thinking a chair was a table. But it just shows you that things exist in themselves no matter what we are taught and that the problem in our explanations is our communication. As you can see from trying to explain the color concept an infinite number of different ways. But I agree with that whole thing about how what I see is orange you could see as purple, and yes it's really hard to explain. Sorry this was kind of a random post.
Well in that case people would not notice certain colors more than others: IE 95% (or something close to that) of cars pulled over are red. Also, certain colors would not evoke similar emotional reactions, such as peace, empathy, or sadness (which are easily evoked by a talented artist through use of colors, there have been studies on this) Colors such as yellow and oragne would not be bright, and dark blues and greens would not be dark. On a bright day, some people might see dark colors (after all you have said they cannot distinguish wavelenghts which are different in energy) and would consider it not so bright, while others would. People simply would not have so similar of reactions to colors. Also, something I'm not sure about, but the colors white and black would probably not be possible to agree on, because if people did not perceive other colors the same, that would suggest that they would not perceive all colors together the same, or the absence of color the same. (this point I haven't thought through all the way, Im just throwing it out there)
Way to make up statistics, lol! There's no way that's even close to being true. And by the way, white cars reflect radar the best. Black and white aren't colors, though, has to do with reflectivity of light rather than frequencies. Anyways, to be quite honest, I think we all probably percieve colors the same. But there is no way to actually know it, which was the point.
I didn't make that up. I'm not saying it has anything to do with reflecting colors, Im saying the cops notice those colors the most. People would not all consider some colors to be bright, and others dull if everyone perceived them differently.
How well a particular paint reflects radar has little to do with it's color; it has much to do with the compounds within the paint. The Canadians used to put Radar absorbing paint on their Naval vessels. It was kinda green. My dad was a cop. He preferred to pull over red cars. Told me so. - azimuth
