Colorado 'batman' shooting?

If you search netflix for "rampage" I picture the guy from this movie when I picture this guy. [The cover of the movie case shows pretty much everything but it's an interesting watch if you can handle extreme and f-d up movie gun violence]

What you are seeing [as a movie-goer that night] is a guy who is like a f-ing steel clad robot shooting a fricking machine gun. A HUMAN TANK. Especially if showing was in 3D, some may not have even realized right away that it was not part of the show. There is only one in a million who would be willing to attack that psycho guy, and he'd probably have to be a psycho also, or lack the capacity for fear in his personal brain wiring. As for the 999,999, we would have sit there shitting our pants waiting to be shot like everyone else in the theater. I can barely believe how we can all myself included speak about this like it's the weather... I had to take a moment to take off my hat and lower my head upon reading this story.

But yes, if anything needs to be changed in gun law, it should be that each American is REQUIRED to own a gun and have the proper training to use it, ESPECIALLY the proper training of when NOT to use it. The 999,999 must be armed for the time when the one decides on a whim he wants to kill everybody. We are all freaking sheep [please don't read 'sheeple'] to a wolf if we are unarmed and the crazy one is armed. Gun control that takes guns away from law-abiding Americans is completely a$$ backwards. Marijuana has been illegal in United States for how long now [?] and any US city you will have people swinging off the trees trying to shove a bag of the stuff in your pocket. Making guns illegal will not take guns away from anybody who really wants one. It will only take guns away from those who SHOULD HAVE one but are unwilling to face the risk of prosecution for merely owning one with ZERO criminal intent. It is each and every American's DUTY to exercise their right to bear arms. Protect yourselves, protect your neighbors, buy a gun and learn to use it safely.

Take the message from this story, that we do not need LESS guns, we need MORE guns. The deterrent to the guy wanting to shoot a theater is him knowing that 75% of the theater is going to shoot back; not that they will duck down, call 911, and wait 20 minutes while he's ripping them up before there's an officer on the scene.

 

Have you read Nineteen Eighty-Four?

 

This page makes STRONG POINTS!

www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.htm

 

Yeah, you're absolutely right, the government is a mean thing that kills people everyday in the streets, takes people's money to build roads, communication infrastructures (oh, like the internet!), build schools, hospitals, etc... Let's defend ourselves from government by owning more guns!

 

This story is just sad... Just imagine being in these peoples shoes, it's messed up... You get all excited for the release of this new Batman movie, you get all ready to go, going with your mom or dad, or children, girlfriend, wife, friends... or anyone else you care about, then you're sitting there watching the previews, eating your popcorn or candy, having a good time... waiting for the movie to start... then suddenly this guy comes out shooting at the audience... i can't even entirely picture this, this seems so unbelievable that it's hard to even think of it as reality...

imagine what must have been going through their minds? I know if i was there i'd be like "look at that guy!" to who ever i'm with, since he was wearing riot gear or whatever, and i'd see the guns and be so confused... and probably think he's some die-hard batman fan getting all dressed up for the premier... then he'd start shooting and i'd just be in shock, not entirely realizing what's happening, and as people started to panic i'd probably realize something wrongs going on and start to freak out

I don't get why people ran, my first instinct would be to get everyone to lay on the ground, under the chairs and stuff...

 

Okay, I'm glad that the debate is finally diverging to the real issue here.


GUN CONTROL.


Now, let me kill right away the laughable argument of those who will say:
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."


Without a gun, it can be MESSIER, LONGER, and certainly MORE DIFFICULT to actually kill someone else.
The bigger the number of deaths, the truer the statement. Thus, less guns means less deaths.

Just try and convince me of the opposite.

Plus owning a gun won't prevent your opponent to have a bullet-proof vest like that guy.

Now, let's throw some facts with serious press articles:
36 mass shootings across America in 30 years:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
Click the link for the map.

Now check out the comparative maps of gun control laws of 1981 and 2011:
http://smartgunlaws.org/guns-in-public-places-the-increasing-threat-of-hidden-guns-in-america/
On the same page, see in what kind of public places you can carry guns.

Now, if you think that at least 200,000 guns are owned in the US (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Gun_ownership), if not 350,000 (source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_guns_are_in_the_united_states_of_America), which would mean one gun for every man, woman and child in the US,
with the number of mass killings presented above, which is 36 over the last 30 years, over a lifespan of 72 years old, a mass killing is going to happen twice in your lifetime in more or less your area, and if the trend stays the same;
if you think with these figures in mind, maybe everyone should wear bullet-proof vests, since gun control seems almost impossible politically.

People have the right to bear lethal weapons. That makes killing a lot easier. Don't people have the right to live???

No one wants to become one of the fatalities, a part of these horrifying statistics that are known today in the US.

Is the US going to keep sitting back and watch its people die of firearms?
Enough with compassion, time for ACTION!!

 

Point taken. Now locate and destroy every weapon in the country. Make sure to ask all the criminals too, just to make sure we get their guns along with all the other ones. Solid plan.

 

So you're in favor of a status quo.
Let's sit back and watch people die, just like we've done over the past 30 years.

I'd rather push for my plan, sorry.

You're 19 and already cynical and defeatist. Well done.

 

Don't apply your ideals to my attitude. I think it would be a great loss to my safety and my freedom if another basic right to own something is taken away from me. I'm already a criminal in this country because I like to use drugs. Does that stop me from using drugs? Hell no.

Look at the war on drugs. You take a product which is in demand, and you make the safe and responsible trade of it illegal, and then you see massive up-rises of gang activity and black market sales of said product. Now you have the product available with zero regulation, and you have more people dying from gang violence, and now the only people who have access to the product are the ones that ignore the law.

This is all not even to mention the fact that the general public unarmed means that the government holds supreme and final power over its people.

 

Kennesaw, Georgia has a gun requirement law since 1982. Crime has plummeted since it was instated.

This is an old article but it gives you an idea of statistics:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1818862/posts

 

If only Kennesaw were the US... Or even Georgia.

A population of 26,246 is not representative of the whole US. The proof is here.

 

More arguments against more gun ownership:
Five years since Florida enacted "stand-your-ground" law, justifiable homicides are up.

The "Stand your ground" law was instated in 2007 in Florida:
Reports of justifiable homicides in Florida
200032
200133
200235
200332
200431
200543
200633
2007102
200893
2009105
2010 (through June)44
Source: Florida Department of Law Enforcement

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1128317.ece

 

Why does everything have to be a debate? I've read every single post in this thread, and the majority of it is just people arguing back and forth about pointless shit that won't get charged regardless of how much we talk about it right here, right now. Nobody gives a shit about these stupid laws, it's quite obviously whatever they are, aren't working. We get it. A tragic event happened, people have died, people are injured... when i clicked on this thread i thought i'd be reading a lot of information about why this guy did it, what was going through his mind, how are the victims doing? the victims family? what is happening to this guy now? Prison? How long? But no.. none of that has been posted, yes... i could go look it up for myself, which i will... i just thought that people would be discussing that instead of... whatever else it is that you are discussing, everyone throwing all these statistics around, trying to prove each other wrong, blah blah blah..

 

I like most of the country went to the web looking up the shooters name to see if they had found any reason why anybody would do this. To my dismay some of the religious right were blaming Atheist and science, and listing it as an attack on the Christian values in the country. I have not seen them come back with an apology now that we see he is listed as a “good christian boy” who had been to church just the past week. The Christian statement was not a surprise to me, they are always looking to blame something else for the horrors humans inflict on other humans, but as an Atheist I was offended.
I think it would be good for christians to take a hard look at the basis teachings of being born a sinner who just has to repent to be forgiven over and over again. They need to recognize they give no incentive for a human to avoid the sin.
Their method might have worked 2000 years ago in the time when illiterate nomads lived in fear of all they did not understand, but today the myth based views are dangerous to humanity, and need to be placed in the history books with the other mythologies of humanities past.

 

you shouldn't call them idiotic - right now nobody knows why he did it.

if there's one thing i have learned

it's that 'cult' media often produces completely obsessed

and downright insane followers.

my money says he spent the last few years of his life getting continuously pissed off with people for liking his favourite comic

considering once upon a time he was ridiculed for liking it (can you say nerd?)

and got to a point where he wanted to ruin the experience for 'the sheep' that only like it because it is trendy.

only my opinion - but as i say

who knows.

 

Their lives go into a tailspin, they become disgruntled misfits, and choose a path to glory that will etch their names in the spotlight.
One of the victims family members said the media should not speak his name or show his picture, and should focus only on the lives of the victims.

I think he is spot on.
The publicity, the notoriety, ........ Anonymous losers in search of redemption.

Sometimes a person is just plain fuckin crazy

 

I identify strongly with the comments by cncracer... so nicely said. I can almost never be nice about religion myself...

In the coming days we'll also hear stories of how "god" intervened and saved this victim or that victim. FBk is already alive with how we should pray for the survivors (mostly well intended).

I don't want to hurt feelings or anything, but I ask what kind of sense that makes. If there's a god, he was fine with letting the massacre go down. Don't screw with His Will which might require a few more to die in failed recoveries.

OH but there's more! Bonus fun! The shooter can still go to heaven, if he repents and accepts Jesus... Because that's just how great this shooter god is. Yes with god's love he can be the love god and the shooter god at the same time! Because: With God All things are Possible. ALL things are possible. All. Not most. ALL. ALL!!!!!! "Top that one, Aristotle!!"

I feel horror at what has happened. But because I love people, not because of weird rantings in a book of ancient middle eastern goatfscker myths. I won't debate this, that's just what I feel and think. YMMV, as mine did for much of my life.

 

I think cncracer (and you) are going totally off topic. Just as people can't know for sure when he would be a gamer if that influenced his actions you can't proclaim like this that his religious affiliation had something to do with it.
And it is even more ridicilous when you state you find it offensive that atheists and science got blamed when he would be affiliated with that but in the same post do the same: stigmatize other people that happens to have the same religious beliefs as the murderer.

 

Agreed. Totally asinine.

 

Pointless shit... What everyone would like, I guess, is for it not to happen again.

Nobody gives a shit about these stupid laws? You haven't read the tables I posted.
The NRA seems to strongly disagree with you on that. Or else they wouldn't be pouring millions of dollars into politics.

The "Stand your ground law" tripled the number of homicides in Florida.

If it can do something so clearly, the reverse can be done.

It's a forum, not a news website. For his motives, follow your second instinct of going to a real news website.

I don't know how far you live from Colorado, or if you live there, but yeah it affects real lives, it destroys families. You can be interested in it as if you were following the plot of a movie, like "oh yeah, it's really sad!" and not doing anything about it. I'd rather alert people on the real facts.

There are strong political forces at play. So strong that the president can't even state his own opinions. If the people of America don't stand in the way, the NRA will continue to do whatever they want, and we'll keep having these sad statistics. I personally don't want my friends to become part of these statistics.