Coincidence?

They wont tell you anything if you dont ask for it lol

 

Mathematically there is no such thing as random.. no such thing as coincidence. If you believe in math and science you do not believe in coincidence.

 

It's not hard to think of knowledge that is not incorporable into daily life. For example, I know that there are probably 11 dimensions. Gee, that does me a fat lot of good .

I would take it on an event-by-event basis. There is no blanket answer here. It's dumb to ignore all coincidences, and it's equally dumb to imagine that all coincidences are divine and are a message to you. As usual, the middle path is the correct one, imo.

Your beliefs are just that. Learn to look past them and see things simply as they are.

Yet you believe it . . . if this belief so clearly stems from blind faith perhaps an analytic approach is innapropriate. Simply believe this, and adapt your life appropriately. It sounds like you've already decided which way the universe flows.

Sure, why not. As long as it's knowledge that is applicable to daily life. An example of knowledge that is not: Aliens are controlling my thoughts! Unless you view wearing a tin foil hat as a productive and intelligent shift in lifestyle, I think you see my point.

Ask yourself this. What immediately strikes you as the correct answer, simply from intuition?

 

Whyso?

i dont think randomness has anything to do with chance or coincidence. except in a mathematical/scientific description of it.
random means unpredictable.

if something is up to chance, it just means that there is no one factor that can be picked out and used to explain/predict the phenomenon.

if something is up to chance, it doesnt mean some dice is being rolled and some 'random factor' is coming into play, it just means that you cannot say it is up to anything at all in particular. you cannot single out any one or group of factors and treat them as a construct.

eg, the random variation in evolution. the variations are never 'random'. they are the direct result of some chemical reaction occuring to the genetic information. But we call it random because there is no overiding factor that would be able to say what reaction that was. we would never be able to predict what variation would occur.

this contrasts with something like a motive or plan. EG we dont consider it 'chance' that there are police at te police station. we can easily predict that if there is an active police station, there will be police there.

but it is chance, it is random, that John Doe who never does anything wrong should be in the police station today. it happens that it is not a 'random occurance', eg he didnt just uncontrollably pop up in the police station. he meant to walk into the medical clinic. and he has crap eyesight. so that is the 'reason' he walked into the police station. but it was still random act of chance that he should be in the police station today, as far as anyone is concerned.

Now let us consider situations that are 'beyond coincidence', lets say that John's ex wife, sandra, was arrested the night before and had just been let out of custody. At the exact same moment john walks in, sandra was about to start calling some people she knows to find a place to stay (due to the circumstances of her arrest, etc).

Now, was it chance that john should enter the police station at this exact moment? Or was it more than a coincidence...
should Sandra and John get back together??

BANG! BANG!

shots occur outside

ther was a robbery at the medical centre

two people were shot, killed on the spot.

So where is the single factor drawing these events together, making them more than coincidence?

 

the single factor rests in another dimension in our universal subconcious, somehow when coincidences occur it is the leaking of unconcious archetypes into the conscious. the factor is acausal, which is why we have so much trouble understanding it. everything in our world rests on the basis of causaility, and causal events.

"In all these cases and others like them there seems to be an a priori, causally inexplicable knowledge of a situation which at the time is unknowable. Synchonicity therefore consists of two factors: a) An unconcious image comes into conciousness either directly (i.e. literally) or inderectly (symbolized or suggested) in the form of a dream, idea, or premonition. b) An objective situation coincides with this content."

the whole concept is really very complicated. i just can't really tell what to make of it. i guess that one should follow the direction that synchronicity points them.

 

that is like saying the factor that links the events is simply the fact that we notice them (an archetype coming into consciousness)

 

essentially. if we didn't notice them then how could they be realted? :tongue:

i guess i'll just have to finish this book and figure things out. after all it took jung over 20 years to grasp a meager understanding.

 

do you really think you notice all of the relations around you?

oh and after seeing it tonight, i also recommend i <3 huckabees to anyone who cares about coincidence

 

So I'll spare you the verbage, clicky linky for an interesting perspective...

http://www.lcmedia.com/mind440.htm

alooooha!

 

To what elfin1mf was saying;
The Jungles of Randomness: A Mathematical Safari by Ivars Peterson is a very good book.

I'm horrible at math and could read it, so don't let the mathiness scare you.

 

Also, as an addition, is it possible you are making coincidences out of nothing because you want them to direct you to a certain end of this personal decision?
Our minds are very powerful and everyone on this corner of this forum should know that. It's possible that subconsciously you are seeing "hints" all around you to make a certain choice because that's the choice you want to make, or part of you wants to make.

 

Ok, but what is "you"?

 

duh, duh *stutter* wut? hickup hickup wut? *HICKUP* stutter stutter duh duh huh?

 

'you' can be any part of your mind. sometimes we spend a lot of conscious time in certain parts of our mind but the rest is still functioning and is still 'you'

 

And/Or You can be the cosmic You, Vishnu seated in the heart of everything.

If you believe you are making up the coincidences to lead yourself toward something... whether or not that's true isn't the important question. The important question is what do you mean by You?

 

I think that if we do involve cosmic deities in our person, we should still treat them as elusive and non-nominable. If the God within us is a true part of our being, it is the most intangible and unconscious of all, but it would not be involved with any cognitive processes, so whatever the case, i dont think 'You' is going to entail that aspect of the self. it should only come into play in phenomenon of perception of totally selfless things. taking acid can make even personal things selfless, and thus the god self might become more apparent at those times, but in terms of viewing coincidences, then one of themost important factors is , as KG3 said, your self-ful desires and expectations. if you want anything at all, or want not anything at all, this will interact directly with your focus of attention and with the constellation of meaning that can be perceived amongst seperate dots of events

 

I'm basically saying, You is Everything. (badgrammarbadgrammergahhhh)
Any coincidence, no matter how elaborate, is no more or less of a coincidence than a hand holding food reaching toward an open mouth. Depending on which side of the coin you're looking at, that's in itself an unbelievable, awe-inspiring coincidence, or nothing special, just how things are. It's both. Or neither. Your coincidences mean something. Or they mean nothing. It's the same thing. Or it isn't.

 

well, I dont think it is fair to resort to saying that everything is true and false.

they might be true or false from different perspectives.

but the perspectives all point to the centre

the only absolute truth would be one which explicitly aknowleges all perspectives.

so simply say it can be a coincidence or not, is an easy way out, imo.

WHAT makes something a coincidence or not? even if everything is and is not a coincidence in one way or another, what differentiates a hand being next to a mouth with a utensil in the hand, n food on the utensil...
from, say, a man going to jump off a building and a long lost lover happened to live in that building and was on the roof writing sad poetry at the time?

there is hugely significant difference between these situations for these people, even if on the grandest scale, there is nothing special (but everything special) about them both

 

Yep.

Reality is coded in binary.

 

that wasnt a rhetorical question, prism

something makes the afternoon sky bright for a bat and dim for a bird. The sky is thus BOTH dark and bright... but this denies the real fact that it is actually ONLY dark from one perspective and ONLY dim from another, despite being both when you consider both perspectives at once.

it is worthy to know and understand why the bat sees it to be bright and the bird sees it to be dim

dont you think?