Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. Meliai

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    From your link, they have refused to characterize it. So again, since none of us know the nature of the investigation we cannot say with 100% certainty that it is criminal, but we also cannot say with 100% certainty that it is not.

    I think I'm being fair here.
     
  2. Karen_J

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    Bernie hasn't said one word about voter fraud, so this part of the discussion needs to be moved to the conspiracy theory section.
     
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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Okay, if that's they way you want to look at it. Of course we can never be 100% sure of anything the State Department or Office of the Director of National Intelligence is doing, but let's see what the two Inspector Generals leading the investigation have to say:

    I bolded, underlined and italicized the important part for everyone. Notice that the two Inspector Generals have stated that the "Inspector General of the Intelligence Community did not make a criminal referral".

    Now I would think that if the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community has stated that it has not made a criminal referral, one would have to conclude that to mean that the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community has not made a criminal referral, unless you think that they are lying to the American public.

    That could be.
    But I don't think you are being fair...you are free to think what you want.
     
  4. Karen_J

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    Out of respect for DC voters, Bernie will stay in until the Washington primary next week, but will officially drop out shortly after. After meeting with Sanders this morning, Obama announced his endorsement of Clinton, and Elizabeth Warren is about to do the same.
     
  5. It's all fine for Karen J to spread unsubstantiated rumors, but when I point out that exit polls aren't matching results NOOOO. You mods run this website just like the establishment runs the country.
     
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  7. Karen_J

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    As I already said, the Sanders campaign is not complaining about vote totals or exit polls.
     
  8. Wizardofodd

    Wizardofodd Senior Member

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    Just because the Sanders campaign hasn't mentioned it specifically, that doesn't mean it isn't an issue. They may have their own reasons to stay silent for the moment. And I haven't heard a word about him planning to drop out or him and Warren endorsing Clinton. All I've heard him say is the same thing he's said the whole time.....he's staying in.

    And the email thing isn't going away and, if this article is to be believed, may be worse that previously thought.....this isn't about whether the emails were marked or not. If these allegations turn out to be true and if she is charged or has to otherwise drop out of the race, Bernie would be the guy the DNC would need. That....all by itself....is a good reason for him to be careful about calling out the DNC.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clintons-private-_b_10354484.html
     
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  9. Karen_J

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    Until / unless he does, or somebody else with national credibility brings it up, it remains a conspiracy theory, and we have a place for those. Such discussions are not a part of mainstream political debate, regardless of one's viewpoint or favorite candidate or party.

    Political parties don't count votes. That's a government function. There's a legal procedure for alleging irregularities, which has been used many times in the past.

    Nationally, this vote was not particularly close. We're talking millions of votes here. Fraud on that level, not reported by the candidate, would be the kind of story that Alex Jones deals with. Not here.
     
  10. Wizardofodd

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    Oh yeah....and political parties do count votes in some places. I live in Iowa and the party is exactly who counts votes here.
     
  11. Karen_J

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    Elizabeth Warren's endorsement is going to take place at 9:00 eastern time on MSNBC. As for my other predictions, confirmation will have to wait until Tuesday night or Wednesday morning.
     
  12. 6-eyed shaman

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXJ1mgkyF0

    Hillary in 2006 suggests "physical barriers" to illegal immigration from Mexico. Maybe it isn't racist when she says it.
     
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  13. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    I'm not aware of evidence that there was ballot-counting fraud, so I'm not making any allegations against her in that regard.

    It's more than a bit suspicious, however, that coin tosses and voice votes have seemed to all fall her way, "as if by magic". The DNC has been packed with HRC supporters, which I don't think is a coincidence.

    Consider also that HRC tried to force through the invalidated 2008 Michigan primary vote even though Obama's name didn't even appear on the ballot.

    I see every reason to believe that HRC would do whatever she could get away with doing if it would help her get elected.
     
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  14. Meliai

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    I still find it odd nothing ever came of Bill Clinton glad handing at a random polling place in MA. Before anyone gets their panties in a twist, obviously that doesnt constitute fraud, it could certainly and probably should be construed as campaigning which is illegal. Just kind of a head scratching wtf moment for me. Why, Bill?

    As far as voter suppression i dont think anything ever came also of the hundreds of thousands of independents in NY registering as Democrats within the required time frame only to find out their name wasnt on the roster when they showed up to vote.

    There have been other odd things too. Not that I think Hillary or her campaign were behind any of it, if anything I just think the electoral process has some weaknesses as well as perhaps some corruption that has been exposed this election cycle
     
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  15. Kick Frenzy

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    Actually, there is oddness going on.
    Like the fact that ~400 superdelegates pledged their vote to Hillary before the campaign season even began.
    Or that they haven't even come close to respecting the majority vote, not when in so many cases, state by state, they almost exclusively pledged their vote to Hillary before the votes were anywhere close to being submitted, much less counted.

    It's a sham, plain and simple.

    Or as Debbie Wasserman Schultz put it, "Superdelegates make sure party leaders don’t have to run against grassroots activists."
     
  16. Kick Frenzy

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    Not only did Bill visit (campaign) inside a polling station in a state he doesn't reside, but he also campaigned outside of another polling station (with the local Mayor!) in a manner that caused the polling station to basically close for hours, preventing many people from voting until they left... or for some, at all.

    New York is only one of almost every state where voter suppression occurred of the same type (registration being flipped/lost).

    I haven't ever seen anything to connect Hillary directly to any fraud or suppression, but the fact it's always in her favor is concerning.
    (Like when the busload of caucus goers, seen putting on Hillary shirts as they walked in, were allowed to caucus without registering!!)


    It's sickening that our system can be fucked up the ass like it has been and so many people just shrug and say "it's politics".
    (Like when exit polls are so far off that if the USA saw it those numbers in ANY other country, we would view it as evidence of fraud... but since it's good for Hillary, it's just some weird thing that doesn't matter, so they stop them altogether. Because that isn't suspicious at all.)
     
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  17. r0llinstoned

    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    Since Bernie is now basically done for.. We must rally against Clinton

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    (Unless Hillary is indiocted, in which case... Sanders/Stein. ;) )
     
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