Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. Kick Frenzy

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    Good points.

    At this point, the Republican field is all about "I would be great against Hillary", just assuming she'll get the nomination.
    I would love to see Bernie get the nomination... just to see their minds blown and watch them scramble for how to deal with it. lol
     
  2. Kick Frenzy

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    I wouldn't read anything underhanded into it.

    We're talking about emails between the Secretary of State and the President of the USA.
    There could easily be sensitive information in there that shouldn't be made public.

    While I get that people would want all of Hillary's emails to be made public, national security does have to be considered.
     
  3. Kick Frenzy

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    You're reading too much into it.
    Or rather, you're making assumptions where there is no proof of guilt.

    There's just as much chance that there's something worth presenting publicly as there is that it's just discussions about kangaroos chewing gum.


    That's not an alarm you're waking up to, it's the wailing of conspiracy theorists.
     
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  4. Kick Frenzy

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    Maybe you could just say what the fuck you want to say instead of just posting links?

    I'm not about to sit and watch a two hour video on YouTube.
    Hell, I don't even watch movies online... I'm certainly not going to watch a two hour hit piece.

    Just come out and give the specifics, man.
     
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  5. Karen_J

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  6. Kick Frenzy

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    No.

    If you want to make a point, then fucking make it.
     
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  7. slipperyhippy

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    Bernie Sanders of course but there is no chance he will ever be elected. Only beef I have with him is that he sort of halfway supports the NRA. He can't be elected because the Repugs have brainwashed everyome into thinking "socialism" is evil, when of course they are socialists themselves when it suits them.
     
  8. Ringstar

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    Hillary Clinton. She has the experience and most probably the people around her to actually do the job.
     
  9. Karen_J

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    Debate tonight on MSNBC! Rachel Maddow, in Rock Hill, SC.

    Bernie needs to make some changes. In all the polls, Hillary is pulling away, doubling his numbers in some states.
     
  10. rjhangover

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    What's going to happen when Trump and Sanders don't get the nomination, and they both run as independents? In a four way race, who wins? America?
     
  11. Karen_J

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    Sanders won't do that.
     
  12. Karen_J

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    Debbie Wasserman Schultz got her way tonight. She didn't want a real debate because the DNC hadn't sanctioned it, and the event ended up being nothing more than three separate back to back interviews. On the positive side, they were good interviews, longer and deeper than what we typically see on TV with these candidates. The format worked particularly well for Bernie, who needs to work harder on getting more Americans to know him better.
     
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  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    A very good debate, or forum, and Rachel Maddow was pretty good as an interviewer. I liked that she made sure that most questions were actually answered.

    Martin O'Malley seems sincere, but I don't think he has the scope, or a complete understanding of what needs to be done to fix the country. Martin, was hitting his points all night and came off as a little robotic.
    He won't get the nomination, I don't think.

    Bernie Sanders came off pretty well. I'm bias because I like him the best, but he really seems the most passionate and he seems to have the best understanding of what is needed to fix the country...and I like his views on forming coalitions to handle the Middle East, something I've always believed. Bernie seems real.
    But he's going to have a tough time against Hillary.

    Hillary Clinton...just seems to glib. Too rehearsed. I really thought she was extremely hard on the police, but she knows that plays well especially with blacks right now. I also think she is too hawkish...I don't like her vote on the Iraqi war...at the time even I could see it was all a pretext by Cheney and Bush. But, again, I think she thought it would play well at the time. If she really believed we had to invade Iraqi with an unprovoked preemptive war, she's dumber than I thought.
    I'm afraid she'll take the nomination and I'll have to vote for her against the Republican candidate.

    All that being said...any one of them is much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much,
    better than the whole Republican line up combined.
     
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  14. Meliai

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    So in today's news Clinton is calling for a reschedule of marijuana, of course following Bernie's legislation introduced last week to decriminalize it at the federal level.

    I kind of get the sense Clinton feels threatened by Sanders. She had pretty consistently been moving her stance more to the left in a weird watered down mirroring of Bernie's politics.
     
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  15. SMcDaniel001

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    I love that Sanders is an unapologetic Socialist and doesn't even pretend he isn't one. There was a time when getting a label like that in this country could get you an a** whipping. The democrat party is finally saying what they actually are. Red diaper doper babies.............
     
  16. Karen_J

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    Yes, and it's working.
     
  17. Meliai

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    Maybe. I don't put too much faith in the polls at this stage. No one really thought Obama would win at this point in the race either.

    This might serve to alienate her more moderate base, and the far left leaning democrats and independent voters already know she's trying to be a Bernie clone.
     
  18. Spectacles

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  19. Karen_J

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    He's so effective in person. The big stage format works for him, better than the small, quiet settings. He has lots of time for more public appearances.
     
  20. Kick Frenzy

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    That CBS piece was really good!
    Thanks for sharing that, Spectacles!

    And Karen, I have to kinda disagree.
    I think Bernie does well in both settings... especially after watching that video.
    In fact, it seems like the smaller settings are where he gets to expound on things other than economics.

    I was so glad to see Rachel Maddow bring up his civil rights work in college!
    He never talks about that record and he really, REALLY should!
     
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  21. Karen_J

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    I'm just saying that the larger events show an unexpected side of him. I never thought he could work a crowd until I saw him do it.
     
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  22. Kick Frenzy

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    Ah ha... gotcha.
    Good point, he really does do surprisingly well in those larger settings... took to it like a fish to water.

    Not that I'm surprised, he's been a natural born leader since his youth.
     
  23. Moonglow181

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    Go, Bernie Sanders! You won the debate tonight in my eyes....anyway.
     
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  24. 6-eyed shaman

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    I like Barry Sanders. Best running back in NFL history. Who the heck is this Bernie?
     
  25. Meliai

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    You know what was weird about this last debate? All online polls showed bernie as the winner, by a HUGE margin -like between 80 and 90%. Traditional polls all showed Hilary as the winner. Things thatl make you go hmm.
     
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