Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. WE1

    WE1 Member

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    Say what you will but Hillary will be our next president.
     
  2. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    He really is. Anybody else and we're fucked. Fascism for the U.S.A.; I'm afraid that we might be fucked. Fascism that you can vote for.
     
  3. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    Sadly you may be right, because too many people are too dumb to see through her bullshit.
     
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  4. WE1

    WE1 Member

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    It's the minority and Super Delegate factors that will ensure Hillary's presidency. Unfortunately, minorities don't trust Bernie - largely because they don't understand the concept of Democratic Socialism, nor do they care to learn. Even if it's to their advantage to support Bernie over Hillary. African Americans don't seem to even care Bernie marched with Martin Luther King in 64, and he helped organize student protests to promote equal rights while a student at the University of Chicago - while Hillary campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 64.


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  5. Hillary is a ridiculous candidate who certainly doesn't deserve the nomination. But this is America and the American people are idiots. Which sucks, because i personally would really be excited to join the global community. We can't really join that community with anyone else as a president. Foreigners might make exceptions for Americans here and there, but they wouldn't view us in general in the same way as they would if we elected Bernie president, which is in an overwhelmingly positive way. Instead of being elitist Americans we would become cooperative with the rest of the world. We're really missing out on being a part of the global community if Bernie doesn't win and I don't think people realize how much that sucks.

    That said, Bernie is already my president. Whoever wins the nomination, Bernie's the only one I'm looking to and I'm sure a lot of people will be looking to. I think he's got a movement on his hands that goes beyond this election. I think people will still be looking to Bernie for leadership where they can't look to someone like Clinton or Trump no matter what happens. I know I will. He's sort of the honorary president already.
     
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  6. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    yes, i feel Bernie is my president also.....and it will be a shame if he does not win. If he won, i could feel proud of America again for a minute, but sadly, I do think I am just going to be disappointed with America again.....It is when I will emotionally drop out.....if Trump or Hillary wins.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I hope NASA puts Clinton on Mars.
     
  8. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    One way trip I hope?
     
  9. Moonglow181

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    Bernie last night in the town next door to my town.....
    yes, I love bernie...lol..."even the birds love Bernie...."
    Wake up all of new York. This is our candidate!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZdF-lCbL4
     
  10. Meliai

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    It sucks NY is a closed primary
     
  11. Meliai

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    Did anyone watch the debate in Brooklyn the other night? You could really tell where Bernie was born and raised, i thought he was more aggressive, more abrupt and to the point than usual. Being in his home turf was good for him.

    Hillary did okay too i guess, to be fair lol

    The closing statement was hilarious - Bernie gives this impassioned speech that works the crowd into a frenzy and theyre chanting his name well after it is announced it is time for hillary to speak - then her speech ends up being completely fucking flat and lackluster coming after Bernie's. She was trying to go for a quieter, more emotional appeal i guess - but she isnt good at emoting.
     
  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I zoned out at 10:15 during the foreign policy section and went to bed.
     
  13. Moonglow181

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    If Bernie Sanders had a chance in winning the presidency, and if I knew him, I would suggest him picking this senator as his running mate....Mike Honda....

    He wants to have a day of reason to go along with a day of prayer in schools....


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  14. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Hate to say it but Hillary has this one in the bag. Sure Bernie has won a lot of primaries, but Hillary was selected long ago. The way I see it is the main reason why Bernie has been in the race this long, and getting as much spotlight, has a lot to do with media outlets maintaining high viewer ratings. If Bernie conceded after Super Tuesday, there would be no more presidential race to report, and that would result in lower ratings. So they have to stage a race to make it look like Bernie has a chance.
     
  15. Moonglow181

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    Bernie would not concede as too many people believe in him and are supporting him. He is not a charade to us.......Many are not saying...."Bernie or burn"....for nothing.
     
  16. xenxan

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    It is not whether "the voters" support him or not; it is, as some have stated on this forum, all about who reaffirms the establishment and its practices. Sorry but it is not Bernie Sanders. The process is sad to an extent. How so many of the masses can sit and vote for Hillary, with her arrogantly egotistical unwavering blatant lies. She slaps the very face of the people that follow her.

    Hillary will probably win. Bill will get a cushy UN or a NATO affiliated role. Obama, due to his "influence" in the DOJ for Hillary, will be nominated the UN Sec Gen. This will be the end as we know it. No one will be able to stop the US and its agenda. Everything will be traded in US dollars, a one world currency. If the country cannot see this then it is a sad state of affairs we live in. Just keep tuning into reality programs and cooking shows, is the politicians hope.

    All the Bernie Sanders voters believe he can and will win. It will be a devastating blow to moral and hope of change, when he does not. Do voters realize Bernie is just being dragged along by the 'hope' the newly able voters have in him? Where is the love from the DNC? There isn't any, he is just a pawn. He has not gone on any defensive, worth noting that is, against any Dem or Rep candidate. Yes the Rep side is full of the bashing by all not just Trump and in my view a complete distraction to take the heat of Hillary. Bernie is just not received as a threat. Any of his "bashing" on Clinton follows with back peddling and apologies. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-says-of-course-hillary-clinton-is-qualified/ That article clearly defines Sanders as that 'little annoying cousin' that comes on Thanksgiving but ultimately will leave on Friday morning, the day after.

    Obama has layed the path for Hillary to commence her 'Queenhood", by destroying the constitution our morals and trust. See the South Sudan experiment that Obama ultimately failed at. http://www.sott.net/article/231300-South-Sudan-Becomes-an-Independent-Nation
    The most telling is this statement "The new country is rich in oil, but one of the least developed countries in the world, where one in seven children dies before the age of five. " RICH IN OIL should stand right out and show what is important in the world stage. Now, 2 yrs later (2013): http://www.sott.net/article/270623-New-dawn-for-Americas-Africa-Obama-deploys-first-contingent-of-US-ground-troops-to-South-Sudan


    I know super delegates are not supposed to decide an election but there influence cannot be denied.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/19/dem-tensions-flare-as-superdelegates-flock-to-clinton-even-in-states-sanders-won.html?intcmp=hpbt1

    America politicians have learned through the onslaught of the 'movement' in the 60's, how not to react and to counter a revolutionary call to arms by its citizens, if we can still call ourselves citizens.

    My hope is that the younger generation gets over the 'I'm offended at everything' routine and wake up to the immoral audacity of the people in charge. The government learned 'what not to do next time' from the 60's, why can't we.
     
  17. Moonglow181

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    Yeah, I just got home after not watching the news all day, and see on the internet, that although, all votes are not in yet, Hillary is ahead......but it is not SWEEPING ahead, at least.
     
  18. AceK

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    We have a bunch of scumbag candidates, and one who isn't. Whom does America want to vote for? The scumbags of course, just as always.

    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy offers this: ;)
     
  19. YouFreeMe

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    I was in NY state over the past few days, and found their closed primary system a bit prohibitive, especially for those voters who aren't well educated on the process. They have a closed primary, and only those registered as Democrat or Republican can vote. I spoke to a few locals who were registered as independents, and were consequently unable to vote for Bernie in the primaries. You have to change your registration at least 30 days before the primaries. The polls in rural upstate were only open 12 noon to 9 pm. There seemed to be a lot of Bernie supporters in Upstate NY, which is where the polls did not open until noon.

    Obviously, with proper education and planning, these roadblocks can be navigated, and your vote could be cast. But not everyone has those things, so I'm surprised that NY, with it's stark contrast of dense city and open country, would not be more aware of its population and design the system so that it would be as easy to vote as possible, for all citizens. I think you would have seen a greater turnout for Bernie if NYs system had been more accessible.
     
  20. Asmodean

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    Yes, frankly it sound a little bit absurd. What's the advantage and/or reason of it being like that?
     

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