Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

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    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. Yes, the media isn't covering him because he's a lightweight. Jesus Christ.
     
  2. Kick Frenzy

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    The "King of Amendments" is a lightweight?
    The guy whose financially supported more by everyday Americans than anyone else?
    The one who has been aggressively politically active for half a century?

    Are you just believing what mainstream media is telling you?
    The ones who didn't even mention Sanders speaking in front of thousands of people because they were watching an empty stage that Trump was supposed to appear on?
     
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  3. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member Lifetime Supporter

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    I think Clinton is going to win, however in the California primaries I will vote for Bernie Sanders. If he doesn't win the primary then I will vote for Hillary.
     
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  4. GeorgeJetStoned

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    I often wish I was still voting in California.
     
  5. Tyrsonswood

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    I often wish I was still in California... But then again, NO.
     
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  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I often wish every apathic or hopeless american voter would spend their vote on a third party candidate. Not mainly to get one in the white house but mainly to shake the whole democracy up. It could only do good.
     
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  7. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    All I can say is, "Fuck you America!". Bunch of dumbfucks, wake the fuck up so we can break out of this sick downward spiral. Clinton and Trump in the general election LOL we're so screwed, both of these candidates support a police state surveillance society. Here comes fascism but I guess that's what people want, it's just too bad I have to live in such a society. Here comes the next iteration of the USA PATRIOT ACT, and it will be more beefed up this time, more encompassing and draconian, and so much BETTER ... people will absolutely LOVE it, ain't it great!

    Fuck TPP
    Fuck Paid Prioritization
    Fuck Surveillance
    Fuck YOU if you support the above!

    Information is power, therefore information should be free.
    Governments and corporations cannot be trusted to use technology to the benefit of ordinary people! (Governments and corporations cannot be trusted to work for the interests/benefit of ordinary people)
     
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  8. Kick Frenzy

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    Blue IRQ needs hope badly.


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    Find Bernie Sanders quickly!
     
  9. scratcho

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    Why should anyone be surveilled? it's not like there are homicidal religious maniacs blowing shit up. When that starts though-----------

    FDR tried to make government work for regular people after the usual suspects attempted to twist the monetary system into another trickle -down, right-wing paradise for the few and blew it. No such rationale today on the right. Very little on the left, except Sanders.

    Laws written (with the tacit approval of bought and paid for legislators ) help owners/corporations to avoid paying a fair share of taxes (cheaper to pay the legislators directly )and cutting labor costs (workers) is 1st in line when the stockholders get restless. It seems that in many cases they get to write the laws behind closed doors that benefit them in their business dealings. Why wouldn't the monied class help itself--it's what they do.

    I'm sure that if Clinton gets into office, she will continue to enrich herself immensely. She will/would be preferable to the repubs in any case. Sanders sees and has seen what would help to level the capitalistic "playing field," as it were.

    IMHO, just the fact that there IS a stock market playing games with commodities while people starve, are displaced, wars rage, fewer and fewer have most of the benefits/money/power, indicates that something is very wrong right here in River City. Greed, lack of compassion, conservatism, misunderstanding of Sanders type of socialism and how his ideas would actually affect citizens , will preclude his ascent to the presidency.
     
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    r0llinstoned Gute Nacht, süßer Prinz

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    Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour. That's absurd. It leads to unemployment because of the cut-throat competition.

    We don't need that many social safety nets.
     
  17. GeorgeJetStoned

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    When I started working in the 70s, the minimum wage was raised a few times. It went from $1.35 to $1.55, then to like $1.85 in a couple of years. Every time it happened, someone's hours were cut. This happened at Red Lobster, Pizza Hut, the theater and almost every fast food place. Employers spread the cost if they can by snipping everyone's hours. Or they look for a convenient, disposable patsy to preserve a good crew.

    I don't buy the studies because they seem to automatically assume that employers are all saints that WE need to protect from fair wages. Poor people don't fund studies (except for government pork programs).
     
  18. I guess you can't show me the studies that say unemployment increases when the minimum wage is raised, then. In my experience, working in factories, higher wages coincided with an increase in both employment and productivity. I don't buy that people's hours are cut across the board at all businesses when minimum wage is increased just because, in the 70s, a friend of yours or something had his hours cut at the same time that pay was increased.

    http://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster

    I guess the US Department of Labor just doesn't know what it is talking about.
     
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    He doesnt want to change it to $15 overnight. It would be done in increments over several years. It isnt that absurd.

    Sanders is also against free trade, which goes hand in hand with the increase in minimum wage. You wanna talk about cut throat competition? Have you looked at manufacturing pay lately? I browsed indeed the other day looking at manufacturing jobs because i was curious about the pay and most were hiring for $9 - $10 bucks an hour. My brother was hired fresh out of the army when he was 22 for a manufacturing job making $20 an hour 15 years ago and now the same job pays $10? Thats the real absurdity. American workers are competing with third world workers making third world wages. Proposing ways to protect american workers against the effects of free trade is not the same as a social safety net or entitlement program.
     
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