Clinton Or Sanders?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by skip, Sep 18, 2015.

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Who would you prefer as Democratic Candidate for President in 2015?

  1. Hillary Clinton

    14 vote(s)
    18.4%
  2. Bernie Sanders

    62 vote(s)
    81.6%
  1. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    I don't see any evidence that liberals do not vote, or vote significantly less than conservatives do. In principle, the opposite could be true. If you want me to buy this, you'll at least have to cite a source.


    I don't see the evidence for this either. Practically speaking, it's not possible to nominate anyone to the SCOTUS to the right of Scalia. Any replacement would make the court more liberal by default. Unless someone else on the court kicks off during the next president's term, little will change.

    If one party controls exec + legislative, there could be some changes, but probably not that much if history is an indication. IIRC, that was the case during Obama's first term, and what came out of it was the watered down, weak, but still significant affordable care act.

    The real power of the president is to get us into wars, and on that front, trump and hrc are the same.
     
  2. jfast94

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    Hey thanks for responding to this. So Picked up my old Bantam copy of the Manifesto and it was the introduction by Vladimir Pozen, not Marx, that said this. Thanks.
     
  3. jfast94

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    It's the weakness that is making it insignificant. They took away the bargaining power of the government with the drug companies. Then they can say, "see no one wants it." It reminds me of when there was pressure for car companies to produce electric cars, the ones they put out looked horrible and they barley advertised them. The car companies pointed to poor sales and demand and said "See no one wants an electric car." There is a documentary, "Who Killed the Electric Car?" that does a good job showing this.
     
  4. Flagme15

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    Not exactly what you're looking for, but................

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_party_strength_in_U.S._states
     
  5. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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  6. Meliai

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    I'm off to rock the vote!

    Remember when that was a thing in the 90s? Apathetic rock stars were enlisted to boost the number of registered voters amongst the apathetic gen X demographic.
     
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  7. Karen_J

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    Looking back on the last few months, I think the biggest regret was that nobody within the Sanders campaign organization ever figured out any kind of an effective strategy for reaching black voters. I'm not even sure that they ever fully understood what the problem was. Maybe they took Hillary's Secretary of State job as a stamp of approval from the black President, while Bernie received no such honor. I don't know. All I know for sure is that when you look seriously at the numbers, it's black Democrats that are sending Hillary through to the next level, and there's not enough time between now and Tuesday to change it.
     
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  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The Clintons have a long, highly known positive history with blacks.
     
  9. Karen_J

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    Bill Clinton, sure. What has Hillary done for them?
     
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  10. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Okay, Bernie really got his ass handed to him tonight in SC. Hillary got 84% of the black vote. A slight majority of Tuesday's eleven states and a large majority of the delegates available that day are in Southern states with large black populations, so you don't need a calculator to figure out why it's likely to be a long night for Bernie.

    The timing is just off. If Bernie's surge in popularity had hit two or three months earlier than it did, we might be looking at a totally different scenario now. He simply doesn't have enough time.
     
  11. YouFreeMe

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    Man, I hope you are wrong on that one. I just can't bring myself to like Hillary!
     
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  12. Karen_J

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    I hope some of the younger voters will remember this lesson down the road and get involved earlier, helping promote their favorite candidate when there is still plenty of time. As an individual, early on is when you can have the greatest impact.

    But... we're just hiring somebody to do a job. We don't have to like them personally.
     
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  13. Shale

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    Are all those black ppl in SC bringing down six-figure paychecks? Why on earth would they prefer someone in the pocket of the 1% over someone who is working to increase the minimum wages and will work to squeeze back some money Hilary's supporters have been stealing from the economy. OH, Well. Guess I will end up voting fo HC next time.

    Take it from a guy whose been around for 7 decades, this is scary times. The fact that an incompetent blowhard like Trump might actually be put in office by the ignorant masses scares me, and I have lived thru Nixon, Reagan and Duh'bya. Sometimes I take personal comfort in the fact that I may only be around for one or two more decades.
     
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  14. Meliai

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    I may be wrong, I haven't looked at the break down as far as age, but I think it probably does come down to the generation gap between Sanders and Hillary. Older blacks are more likely to vote and older voters in general are more likely to vote for Hillary.
     
  15. scratcho

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    What Bernie espouses is so foreign to the business as usual folks , older people , blacks and others, that fear that his ideas have no chance. It's just too much for some to absorb.Consequently----probably true. Which is very unfortunate.

    (However, not this old man)
     
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  16. Tyrsonswood

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    Don't know if anybody paid any attention to this post of mine, but the results are in.


    Out of almost 400,000 replies the vote goes as follows. Sanders 86%, Clinton 14%.


    So, at least one "super delegate" will be voting Sanders...
     
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  17. jfast94

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    Thank god, South Carolina (no offense) isn't representative of the whole country for more than just one reason.
     
  18. Meliai

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    As a South Carolinian - none taken. We dumb.
     
  19. PunchDrunkKitten

    PunchDrunkKitten borne on the fm waves of a broken heart

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    Like every other millenial with powers of observation..
    IM FEELIN THE BERN.

    ~jk i dont like heat, dont do that~
     
  20. jfast94

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    Well, the rest of the country ain't far behind.
     

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