Did you go? What's it like attending a caucus? Does it take a long time? Do you see a lot of people that you know? Iowa is not a "winner take all" contest, so at most, Clinton or Sanders will walk away with one more convention delegate than the other. Nobody is going to have a multiple delegate lead until New Hampshire, which is likely to go to Sanders. And then she'll likely take the lead back in SC, leaving the race wide open until Super Tuesday.
Pretty much. Of course, I went and my friends were there. Some of my Republican friends were even standing next to me in support of Bernie. That was pretty damn cool. Die-hard Republicans being counted with me for Bernie. My precinct actually went better than I expected. I don't even know why Hillary is addressing the crowd right now when it isn't over yet. She can still technically lose but it would still basically be a tie in terms of how the delegates are split. We're talking 2/10ths of 1% separating them. But as far as the process....many of us are used to it. It gets super intense as we near caucus day. It can feel like a pressure cooker. It feels like it should be a holiday....like nobody should have to work and miss out. The eyes of the world are upon you and many if us feel obligated to do our best to see through the bullshit because we have such a front-row seat. But tonight is basically a tie. I know the media is going to say it's a huge win for HC. It's 657-653 with 99% reporting. It's a tie.......and about as close of a tie as you can possibly get.
Delegate count is all that matters at this point. Even split. Not bad for a guy who was almost completely unknown outside of New England a year ago, polling nationally below 5%.
It should be a state-wide holiday. It's crazy that such an important thing seems to be treated so dismissively, or at least without due weight. Primaries and Caucuses should be state holidays and the general election should be a Federal/National holiday. (Which, I should add, Bernie agrees with and has said as much.) As for the media saying it was a big win for Hillary, I'm not so sure about that. Rachel Maddow mentioned that it was a win for Sanders, regardless of whether it was a technical win or not. She was saying that the papers will all focus on how well Bernie did, how close it was and all of that. Basically, taking the wind out of a technical win (currently at 0.29%) for Hillary.
0.29% Minus three coin flips http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/02/sometimes-iowa-democrats-award-caucus-delegates-coin-flip/79680342/
It's a crazy system. At least New Hampshire (next) is a regular primary, with standard secret ballots. No weird rules there.
Hilary needs to do some major spin to make this out to be an actual victory. 0.4% difference is NOT a victory in the context of these two campaigns and what they represent. FIGHT FOR BERNIE. A 'My vote doesn't count, so I wont vote' is death for the fair campaign of Bernie Sanders. Get involved in any way you can! Bernie has shown that he can be taken seriously. Love to all!
I hate gloaters of any kind and find it a major character flaw...here, let me rub your face into how wonderful I am....get outta here.
I heard a toss coin toss was required in six precincts to determine a winner and Clinton won all six calls.
It's especially bad when they have nothing to gloat about. A "victory" that doesn't even get you one extra delegate is worthless. She's squandering credibility points over this. It makes her look petty and small-minded.
This is true. We are also hearing some complaints about possible "irregularities" in awarding delegates (shocking). I really wish we could just count votes and do away with this whole awarding delegates nonsense. Let's see the popular vote count. I bet the DNC won't release it.
Maybe one person one vote nationally with a fine for not voting. $500 fine or vote. Perhaps that way, all those that have given up on the state of government would be "forced" to vote and show what the majority REALLY want.
I dunno. I visited a couple of intentional communities and they were as riddled with politics as any state government or cubicle world.
Yup. Not only that, but apparently some of the delegate counting wasn't quite on the up and up. But the coin flips are what gave Hillary the "win". If they had all gone to Bernie, from what I can figure, he would've won... and by a tiny bit more (6 over her, instead of her 4 over him). The Iowa Dems have said there won't be a recount. And the Sanders campaign has said they won't challenge their decision, which is a smart move I think.
Well, first they would have to make it a holiday of sorts. As it stands, a bunch of the youth vote didn't make it in Iowa because they had classes to attend. Not to mention everyone who was working at that time and couldn't make it.
Get rid of the Electoral College first and stop the mad "redistricting" going on in the states... Then maybe "everybody voting" would make sense. As it is, fuck that $500 fine shit.
