CIRCUMCISION (A sensible discussion)

you spelled circumcision 8 different ways

 

My guess about the Jewish thing is that it had to do with cleanliness when they got the Torah. During those days, people didn't bathe as often as we do now, and they lived in more desertous places, thus wearing less layers, thus allowing more possible exposure to sand and other things that could possibly get inside. Now, because people bathe more regularly, it's not necessary. It's supposedly a "covenant with God," but I kind of see that as bullshit.

But why are Jews (like myself) still circumcised? Tradition.

And really, as long as one can still orgasm, it doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. I mean if I found out later in life that I could never orgasm because of what my religion's tradition did to me, I'd be pissed. But I can orgasm and I can be pleasured so I'm happy the way I am.

 

Sorry.

My mother tongue is not english. I am looking for a gorgeous woman here to teach me the facts of life, if not the english language.

 

I am not circumcised. I do think it affects sexuality in the male. I would not do it to my son.

I seem to have answered this in another forum. But let me make this very, very simple. You do not cut parts off babies or children. We can as adults make the decision.

 

This thread has popped up again after a long sleep. Seamus should have graduated by now. Here are my thoughts (again):

1. Except in areas of the world where AIDS is a big problem, like Africa, circumcision should be a matter of family and religious tradition, or personal choice.

2. In countries where circumcision is not usually done, there is no reason to set the boy apart from his peers by having it done, unless the foreskin will not retract or the frenulum is too short to allow full retraction, in which case the boy should be circumcised to give him a satisfactory sex life later on.

3. In countries where circumcision is regularly done (the U.S., many parts of Canada, the Philippines, South Korea, Israel, and the Moslem countries, etc.), circumcision is probably best, either at birth, or later in life. The boy will "fit in", and look like his father and his peers, and the result is healthier - less chance of infection, and less chance of getting an STD later in life.

4. Either way, circumcision is not a life changing decision. It is a minor procedure, the result of which is displayed by about a quarter of the world's males. Sex is still good whether the boy is cut or uncut. Circumcision is not "mutilation", and any "loss of sensitivity" is minor and does not affect the end result, and in fact may lessen the chances of developing a premature ejaculation problem.

 

Female, my partner is natural.

I perfer it, I love the look of a male's penis in it's natural form. And sex feels better for me.

No, my sons' will NOT be cut unless a medical issue comes up, my dad was cut at 14 because of a medical issue, and blacked out from the pain. Cleanliness is only a issue if your lazy.

 

I'd like to see proof of this, my ex who was cut couldn't last more then 30 seconds in sex. My best friend who's boyfriend is also cut is having the same problem.

 

I was circumcised at birth and I wish I had not been.

My son was circumcised at birth as well in a decision that was not made by me. I was actually quite livid when it was done. This genital mutilation was performed out of some sort of christian belief and under pressure of the hospital.

 

I cant imagine sex without my foreskin!! I can cum just from playing with it and would never allow my kid to get amputated!

 

Cutted, I knew yoiu'd be back! You are wrong, wrong, wrong. I grew up in the US uncircumcised and never felt 'apart' from those who were. I've had many a woman compliment my looks and - more important, the lack of chaffing, the 'no need to roll over and get the goo (lube)," etc. Even in masturbation, I've never needed a drop of spit or anything else except my trusty hand. Where you get your chutspa, I don't know. But you prove by your lack of knowledge that you are no expert. Only natural men know what you are missing. Only they know the value of that extra seven square inches of nerve ending that you lost in childhood. The penis and clitoris start out the same, develop into what they are as intertnal organs, the penis just happens to be outside the body and needs the 4skin to keep its sensitivity and moisture. In my lifetime, I have never seen smegma, cleanliness works! The US is slowly moving back to the natural side out of respect for the little one. I dare you to scrub and watch as a surgeon traumatises a one day old, naked in a cold OR, blood spurting all over the table, the child wrenched freom its mother for an hour or more, while it is brutalized. Or take a look on the various sites at videos. It is brutal, traumatising, and unnecessary! Why you have made yourself a one man judge of this tribal and savage ritual is beyond me. I'm guessing your psychological self has the need to defend the look of your crank. As if the world was watching! For pete's skae lay off of the insistance of getting cut because dad is and the country's majority of men are. I don't recall the words, "land of my father's cut dick'" in the national anthem. The practise nearly died out in the western societies of which we are inheritors during the middle ages, kept alive buy the small numbers off Jews, and royalty who seemed to think it gave status. Maybe that's why you keep harping on it. So we can all achieve Cutted Status. The bottom line is that 19th century medicine, reaklizing that circumcision made sex less enjoyable, started recommending it to curtail masturbation. You know, that evil, hair in your paln producing habbit of wayward boys. They thought of it as a way to restrict sexual behavior. That's a wonderfull, up to date kind of medicine to be practicing! Go away.

 

This, apart from the STD stuff is fair. As someone who is cut and in the minority in this part of the world, I still prefer being circumcised and am glad that my parents had it done.

 

I wish I hadn't been cut, technically it was a perfectly typical circumcision but sex never felt that great to me until I restored my foreskin, before the glans was dry,cracked, no gliding skin, I never thought of these as problems until I restored. I knew I had lost a lot that I could not get back and decided to restore mainly as a "fuck you" type of statement I was not gonna let my circumcision status appearance be made by someone else., but the sexual gains came as well, it feels so much better, and more natural

It took me years to decide to restore, some of that was over the "it's different" factor, once I spent some time online seeingwhat intact penises looked like and worked like now circumcised penises just seem so mutilated, so half functional, I cannot look at circumcision as being anything other then mutilation

 

"circumcision is probably best, either at birth, or later in life. The boy will "fit in", and look like his father and his peers, and the result is healthier - less chance of infection, and less chance of getting an STD later in life." Cutted.
Boy, that's real scientific! To "fit in," and "look like"...the guy is serious. And claims to be a sex counselor, to boot. As for the healthier "less chance'" "probably" really sound convicted. Cutted, in all these years I have never seen my dad's privates, nor am I goaded by desire. Look at all the trouble Noah's sons got into seeing the old man's nakedness. Why that makes surgical steel, blood, separation, trauma, and less enjoyment of sex worth while I can't imagine. Go figure!

 

I would say that falls into the category of "If all the other parents were mutilating their children, would you mutilate your child too?" Seriously, of all the reasons to mutilate a boy's penis, "to make him fit in" has to be the most inane.

If an adult male wants to hack up his own penis, then that's his call, but anyone who does it to a child, particularly if it's just for cosmetic reasons, or to make them "fit in", should be prosecuted for child abuse.

 

I knew that any response I made on this subject would prompt responses from Fastswitch and Cloud 7. They are attack dogs waiting to pounce on anyone who might defend circumcision, ready to throw out their "dry, cracked glans" and "mutilation" B.S. in place of logic and reasoned argument.

If Fastswitch has never even seen his father's penis, he must have not had a close relationship with him. The fact is, a boy does relate to his father's physical appearance as he grows up, and during the teenage years, there is tremendous desire to "fit in" with one's peers. I grew up in New England, and I would judge that 99% of the boys I grew up with, and went to camp with, were circumcised. If I had not been, I would have felt like an outsider. I would agree that the reverse would be true in a country like England, where today only Jews, Muslims and people with retraction or infection problems, and a few upper class or royal Brits, are circumcised.

There is no need to attack with insults - try reasoned argument for a change, not diatribes.

 

I am a male, born in America in the era of routine circumcision. I would certainly NOT do such to any sons (I have none, only a daughter). It is unnecessary and traumatic and I see no good reason.

 

very few people experience nudity where I am from, it's too conservative, even in high school no one showers after P.E., I have not seen my dad's (at least as far as I remember, it doesn't mean we weren't close, it's just a conservative upbringing that says nudity is bad. and from my experience in this society If I was intact, nothing socially would have changed as far as other people are concerned, as no one would have known.

some kids are happy being in a majority, even if it's due to some mutilation some people aren't however

 

Wow, this always becomes such a hot topic. It's so charged with emotion. I can only give my perspective and that is of a male born when most boys were circ'd in my area. I was not. For years I felt a little out of place. It never made a difference with girls. But I knew I was in the minority.

At one time I actually considered having it done. I did my research and decided very much against it. If you really study what circumcision is and what it does you too would decide against it. Now I know it is still socially acceptable in many parts of the world. And I say that extracting the religious groups for now. But I think what we see is a gradual dying out of the custom. As with all long held customs it will take time for this to change.

People who were circ'd have only one option. To except that change is coming or to oppose it. It's like the "fight or flight" thing. ANYONE who can emotionally allow themselves to step back from the debate emotionally must agree that it is wrong to cut any normal tissue off a baby or person without out their consent. Period. There is no debate over that. It is pure logic. You can not know what that person desires. It does not matter what gender.

In the same token. You do not or should not tatoo a baby. I know that cultures have done this for centuries and much, much worst.

 

Badmoonrising - I compliment you on your rational discussion of why you were not circumcised, and what it was like growing up being uncut in a place where most were different from you. There is a health issue that has just surfaced in Africa, where AIDS is rampant, and several studies have shown the clear benefits of circumcision there as a disease prevention. But in countries where AIDS is not so much a problem, this would not justify circumcision. In the U.S., AIDS is essentially a gay problem, and the widespread use of condoms makes the health issue less important. So it boils down to custom and personal choice, unless there is a phimosis problem.

Re Cloud 7's comment, nudity was not unusual in my somewhat liberal family growing up, and we sometimes went "skinnydipping" as a family. We believed that the human body is not a shameful thing to be hidden, but can be shown naked without embarrassment. As teenagers, we schoolboys always showered together after PE, so we became aware of each other's genitals in a nonsexual way, and at a boys camp in the mountains of New England, where I spent eight summers, we often went naked when we were swimming, and of course when we were showering. It was no big deal - it was the natural way of things.

 

Cutted- you're not such bad guy. I partially agree with you. In Africa there may be a true benefit to circumcision. From what I have seen in one study alone supports this view. There is not a time for debate in Africa. The spread of this disease needs to be prevented. But you are wrong and somewhat dangerous to assume that HIV is essentially a gay problem in the U.S.. It's not. Don't say, stop saying that, someone may listen to you. In the same light it would be dangerous to say HIV in America is primarily among I.V. drug users. We must not let our guard down with this disease. Young people may read this. I don't want you to lull them into thinking because they are not gay or and I.V. drug user they are safe. Please.

I also partially agree with you that it is a custom. No question of that. I mean it's been around since before recorded time. In fact, if I lived in some flee bitten tribe out in the desert with out clear running water I think I might take my chances with circumcision vs.the likely hood of phimosis. In fact that is probably where or why the custom came about. Circumcised males in that situation tended to live longer. The mortality rate was lower and therefore the religious leaders of the time made it doctrine. And doctrine became wrapped up in the religion. God told us to do this...

But as you said yourself there is no reason to do it here other than custom. As for personal choice. I also agree you again. Hence, you don't FUCKING cut parts off babies! Leave them to make the choice. I'm glad my parents were strong enough to think outside the box when I was born. By-the-way, the rate of infant circumcisions in Canada is now around 17% and dropping.

I wish you the best brother. This is my point of view.

Your time may be better spent consoling the many men on various sites who wish they had not been circumcised. What can I say to them as an intact male? Too bad they did that too you? There are men out there really emotionally and some physically hurting over the issue. Can you do something to convince then that they are OK?