Church of the Good Earth 1963 and Beyond

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Hey everybody. I told you all that Wickwah would be back! And Ranger is here too!

 

The biggest source of BS is in DC and no way am I moving there!!! Besides it's a swamp in more ways than one!

Kenny, her name is Marty. Their dauters are Sarah & Robin.

 

I was thinking that we can have a biggass hippie festival in the middle of the Gobi Desert and see how many people would drive to the event from Los Angeles, our largest target metro area market in the United States.

We could get cheap land in Somalia (I even know a guy from there) or Bangladesh.

Didn't they do a lease deal with Yasgur's farm for one week with a little of the investor's front money (and I mean very little) and like a contract with him for something like one percent of the gate money? Should we copy something that is known to work correctly?

Not sure if we will be all THAT successful in our first year out, to be making a years worth of purchase payments on a property that we only want to use for 2 months out of the year. Plus I'm talking about doing 4 2 month things per year. That would amount to 4 down payments an 4 12 month mortgages to pay. That would be anF of a lot of backer money to be paying back an some huge amount of interest. Perhaps we should see how successful we are in the first year before we get crazy and start buying. The banks are going to want to see very profitable books in order to make us a loan. Right now we have no books. We would need to do 4 total prices on 4 pieces of land. That's a lot of backers and a lot of money and interest to pay back. Thank God that we are all very good friends with Bill Gates.

I've heard from someone somewhere that the public can camp on any BLM land for $3 per person per night. Wonder if that's true? They do Burning Man on BLM land. Maybe there's a good reason for that. Maybe we should start out thinking in terms of Lease or checking out the BML information.

Maybe a year from now we can buy land and have some real profitable books for loans.

Give me some feedback thoughts. Please.

Kenny

:banghead:

I give up.

 

Sarah & Robin! Oh yeah. They're like third-five by now or something. So, weird to even think about. Those 2 loved coming over to our house so very much. Thanks Ranger.

 

Folks let's not forget we are Church of the Good Earth. We had the status once before and there's a good chance Mouseman has or has access to the paperwork. It may be we can simply re-up that status if we so chose.
As to what makes us different from Boots etc, it was us along with the foklks from the Shady Grove Cafe not Boots or Graham that were able to get the permit to put the Dead and the Airplane non stage in GG Park for the first and only time for free! The folks from the Shady Grove/US Cafe later morphed in to http://www.unityfoundation.org/acknow.html and continue to this day and we were there working with them for most of the events into the '90's.
BTW; notice the word Foundation....

 

On a diff note I just saw an article in the paper on a south African botanical
called kanna that is a mood altering herb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sceletium_tortuosum and available here ober the table http://www.shamansgarden.com/default.aspx both as dried herb and seed. Has anyone had any experience with it?

 

Perhaps we could do a lease with option to buy. There are ways also to not have to pay a loan back right away, with having stipulations that first payment would be in due 18 months or something along those lines.

Desert to hot, mountains too cold, no decriminalization, no funds. I'm going mad I tell ya ..:willy_nilly:muhahahaha



lovins
cakes

 

Wow, Ranger I was going to correct you and say that it was a cat named Roger Ableson who actually went to every S.F. Board of Supervisor meeting for 10 solid years and finally got them to lift the 10 years moratorium or ban on amplified music in the park. Which is true. And that it was he and Ron who adopted Billy McCarthy as their third producer. "The Tenth Anniversary of the Summer of Love," at Linley Meadows. Ron took a second loan on his home to lock-up the stage and sound and other equipment costs. I was drafted as their director of operations director, because they were all producers and actually had no clue about actually putting stuff together, and I walked in and started putting teams together and showing them each assignment to do, as well as me being their forklift operator. You and Cid were fully in it.

So, then I clicked on your "UNITY" link and there's Billy! I was wondering how we could get a hold of Billy if we needed him for anything? Another piece of the puzzle just dropped into place. Tillerwah, Zenbo, beachdog67, and now none other than good old Billy. My old buddy.

Hey Cakes, this is really getting crazy. Let me tell you.
It is coming together way better than I ever thought.

Ranger, you first did Boots at "The First Tribal Stomp" at the Greek Theater on the Berkeley campus. Ace got all of the Down Home Nasties to do front stage security. I helped rigged the light show rear projection screens and jump down from the very last one and twisted my ankle. You remember that gig in Berkeley. It was a great gig.

Kenny

 

I had mentioned being a church before to someone and that we may can still get under that umbrella. Someone with a cell call Mouseman and see if he will stop by and maybe give us some update on that. Last time I talked to Spacey Stacey he talked about the church status thing. He was also ordained. He mentioned all we may have to do is reapply for updated registration or something like that.



cakes

 

We put the Dead on with the Airplane in '75 not '77. I was at the Directors meeting in McClaron Lodge and the only real reason the permit was granted was that between GE and Shady Grove which morphed into Unity and the rest of the hood we surounded the Lodge with hundreds of folks waiting to see if we got the permit and I watched the old men on the Board rise from their seats to look out the windows as if to see if there was a way out! lol
On a more practical note if we establish our 5013Cness there are foundations such as Unity and Yoko's and the Dead's and others we can approach on almost a family basis.

 

And why are we discussing all of our plans in public? I thought that we had a private space for this??? Whatever.

To Profit or to Nonprofit. That is the question.
Did you guys know that if you borrow and spend 6,000,000 on land, then we don't own the land? The entity does. This is as a nonprofit. And we get to pay 11,000,000 back.

If for any reason the entity falls apart, then according to IRS rules the land all money and all assets must go to some other nonprofit. You cannot simply have it.

I went to IRS.gov and started reading.

I figured if we're just starting up and just renting land it might behoove us to be a nonprofit.

If are main concern is going to start out to be all about buying land and planting things perhaps we should start out as a For Profit.

Cakes, Aren't you glad that I haven't filed any incorporation papers as of yet? We are just now starting to talk about stuff and we have to decide what we are doing. Framing? Hiring Bands? Creating A fair? Becoming A Church? Or doing a one night rock show and the Longshoremen's hall in SF for folks in Orygun?

Now you see why we need to discuss planning.

 

AS we are just now coming together on doing 'Something' it is a starting place. hoppin' over to concepts to finish up.

cakes

 

"Perhaps we could do a lease with option to buy. There are ways also to not have to pay a loan back right away, with having stipulations that first payment would be in due 18 months or something along those lines.

Desert to hot, mountains too cold, no decriminalization, no funds. I'm going mad I tell ya .. :willy_nilly:

Cakes, I thought of the idea of Lease Option to buy. This works great if you are using the place for all twelve months of the year. That's the perfect idea. The problem occurs when we split for 10 months before we come back.

We are waiting for decriminalization after they count the votes, like November third.
Mountains have always been too cold. What else is new. we'll figure it all out. Deserts are always to Hot. Really? I had no flippen idea! We will work around this.

Sweetheart, do you really want to know where the absolute perfect temperature is? Guess? Come on Guess? Check that weather link and try the numbers for Down town LA. I just don't know how to get a hold of that land. Check those numbers. It's ridiculous.

K

 

I know there is no perfect location, not on this planet anyway but I do think that an acommodating place with show itself.

The lease thing is as you say Kenny, not drawing in for 10 months out of the yr, so we are at a catch 22.

Perhaps we can get the church status reactivated and do something on that level. We can get more interest from others of a fudicial nature.

cakes

 

Well as I say, and I've looked, if you check that weather web site and type in Los Angeles, you will see that the best temperature in the whole world are those for down town LA. The basic trouble is, how do we level all of the building and then get the land for cheap? Great weather. But, I just don't see that happening.

The California Renaissance Pleasure Faire ran for decades on leased land. There must have been a financial reason why they always leased and in all of those years they never bought. They leased a part of the Paramont Ranch for the So Cal Fair and some tree covered hills and flat parking space of a Hay farm just east of Navato for the Northern Cal fair. In twenty years they never bought either land or any land at all.

I just figure automatically that this kind of business just works that way money wise. Ya know? I mean, there must be a reason.

That doesn't mean that we can't do better. That doesn't mean that we won't at least need a warehouse space for some of our stuff. That doesn't mean NO Land.

Like I said maybe they didn't want to pay for land that they could never own, and that there nonprofit would always own. You see we've all got to understand that the land like everything that is bought by a nonprofit will only and forever belong to the nonprofit. You're are working to buy stuff that will be eternal and with zero property taxes, forever.
Of Course that is unless the nonprofit corporation colapes. Then the IRS takes it all. Bye Bye.

I do think that the church is a good idea in general. Are first problem is that none of us are ordained ministers. That would be a must. I guess we're all getting ordained next week?

 

ok im so lost can ya all bring me up to speed are we moving buying land meeting for a moment sorry been off the grid took a new position at work weather has been crazy living on the beach but back up to swamp land were slightly under water for a minute wil try to stay more in touch will check in tommorow as im off love ya all

 

Cheryl,
What has happened?!?, has the floods got to you.. oh dear, your sleeping on the beach , no no no.. what can we do to help you sweetie.. just name it.. if we can do it you know we will..

Blessings
cakes

 

Spud, I see you up there I'm glad you stoped by. I hope to see and hear more from ya Brother.. I miss you face. You have been here helping hold this forum together, we need you here..

lovins cakes

 

Alright.. So we all move to Chris's in Hawaii, there it's all settled

We know what we cant do, so why not focus on what we can do.

Isnt Mouseman a minister as well as Spacey Stacey, I was also a minister in The Universal Lighthouse of Prayer in 74' I have no idea if it wears off over 40 yr span or what..lol

Why not just go for a LLC and get the church status later. We need to stop procrastinating and start getting something done. Let's Walk The Talk shall we.

I know you said something about an LLC Kenny, but could you elaborate a bit on why it's not something we want to do.

We can start with just 50 acres with option to buy ajacent property. We can buy the 50 and lease the other ajacent. We build in the centre of the 50 and branch out as we grow.

Now the question is: Where to buy the property. Lets consentrate on that for a minute and get it out of the way so we can build it.

Lovins
cakes

 

In a lease the leasor can dictate what and what not you can do on the property leased.

To the main stream we represent SEX, DRUGS and ROCK n ROLL. How will we affect the citizens. California is the only answer so we dont run into a bunch of redneck mentality.

Unless someone disagrees that is where I am going to do my research. Dont be sceerd to join us. Ranger n me are co-coordenators in the location search we welcome any thoughts/ideas/good vibes/love.

Remember this is for all of us, this is our Legacy, we who lived and loved it and the ones that died for it.

Bright Blessings
cakes