Church of the Good Earth 1963 and Beyond

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  1. ChrisWah

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    wizev Hi and thanks as I do remember it as the WHITE HOUSE also. That was why I was confused when I thought I read Oak St house as underhouse somewhere? The clarity of the OAK St House and Lower Cole is bright as day lol! The shared yard and all.

    Didn't underhouse get its handel because it was the UNDER flat in the WHITE house??. More mind jogging and I was NOT one of the Good Earth Family my roots were STP but so many of our flows crossed and some blended togather!

    Also I think some folks may confuse lower Cole with Upper Cole also as I recall lower Cole being refered to as upper and Lower in that same house BUT the Upper Cole House I refer to is the one on UPPER Cole ST across from Dunkleys Two seperate housed completly.

    Does that ring correct with you also?

    I never "LIVED" at any of the three just would crash when on a run or a visit.

    Time and the mind!! lol One thing is for sure for me the more posts I read the more memories are brought back to life!

    What an amazing time(actually a MINI ERA) back then.

    From the GOOD BAD and UGLY I do not think those days can NEVER be repeated again BUT I truly think that some of the ideas and IDEALS that were hatched back then can and should be revived by those who can and want to take on the mission to do it!.

    Just this old travelers opinion of course!
    I to am glad I had the experiance of THEN!

    Peace/love
     
  2. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    OK let's go over it again,lol.. Underhouse had three entries to it. Two on Cole facing the house where Kitten lived. (Whitehouse) . Underhouse was the first doorway of the last building on the block before you crossed over to PanhandlePark..
    The doorway leading to underhouse,Had two entries, the first door was nailed so shut a battering ram couldnt break it down. from the inside when you walked in the wall was tore down between the two entry ways.One leading upstairs over underhouse. Upstairs was refered to as Upperhouse. That's where Bernerd and Judy lived.

    Now in the same building the next doorway lead to upper whitehouse (not to be confused with Whitehouse across the St) There were two doorways there too. The second of which was the one to upperwhitehouse. That's where Kid and Mora lived. There was an excape route connecting Upperhouse with upper whitehouse.

    The Attic where the other door lead is where the Black Panthers lived and I never saw anyone even go in there or come out.

    Downstairs was the name of the flat in the building that was facing the panhandle, it was street level. I lived there before it and me became part of GE. Shills, Jimmy Painter and Count kidnapped me and moved me and Jomie into Underhouse in 71.

    The dungon was the basement and was all cement. Breeze(RIP) lived there for a time, after he moved from the basement flat in the house on the opposit corner of cole n oak. Whew!!

    There was an underground tunnel that ran across the st over to White House and then many more excape routes once in the back yard, which could take you to two direction. One was up and over fences through White house then hop over to Page St House.

    The other way was out the back yard of Underhouse over the fences and through one house and over to the other page st house, the one the pigs blew up in 73' or 74' over by Clayton St. I hadda use the excape route from Blue House on Oak where Stacy lived when the law dawgs came to capture the nortorious Nailcakes when me and another sister whet n broke Jomie out of Child Haven after the big bust came down and they took EVERY ONE to City Prison and took my boy to CH.

    They would not release him to me when I got out of jail for doing nothing at all. They said that I had no legal residence bc Underhouse was a condemed building.

    We went and got Jomie, pistols drawn and then a hoodsliding excape back to the Haight, the laws sniffin' out our trail. We lost them and headed over to Oak St. House. That's where they caught up with me n Jomie.

    They were pounding on the door demanding I gaive myself up and surrender Jomie to them. LIKE HELL!!! Over my dead and battered body!!. Aries Larry came down the stairs and grabed me n Jomie up and said, 'This Way Cakes' and out the back window we went. We flew over fences and into a window that led to Toothless Jimmys and Dorys house further up Cole St.

    Me n Jomie laid low there for a few hours and then we were snuck into Meg' and carted off to the airport and put on a plane to So Cali. We high tailed it to Arizona after that. I was PG when I left and I aint namin' no names. My daughter was born in AZ and was very sick, I flew us up to SF to take her to UC, the best hospital I could think of, but I got sick myself and ended up in SFG to have surgery and they put Amy in there too at my request.

    Sherril and Anny Fanny took Jomie in till I was released. Then another truma drama occured. The CPS came into the picture bc my daughter Amy was sick and was undernurished, so the docs decided I was not feeding her.

    They called CPS and CPS connected me and Jomie. I was laying strapped to a bed loaded up with morphine and all the 'Suits' came barging in. They started questioning me about where Jomie was. I refused to tell them. I really didn't know what was going on. They said I was not feeding Amy and that I was unfit to raise her, something about getting a court order.

    When they left I called my Mama in Texas to come get the babies. I told her something was wrong and she needed to come right away. Mama was on her way 30 mins later. Her my sister and my bro in law all drove up.

    They got to the hospital and they got Amy. They werent gonna let them have her, but Amy clasped on to her Mamo and would not let go. They look in my mama's eye told them they had best let her go with them cuz there was gonna be a fight.. I told Marty my sister where Jomie was at Sherrills ( marty had lived at GE for a little while and knew the setup).

    Marty took my mama to The Haight to Chuck MF and Anny Fannys and got Jomie and they all went back to texas and I stayed to have surgery. I later hiched a ride to Dallas with a trucker when I was able to travel and reunited with my family. I never went back to The Haight after that. Amy was later diagnosed with having Cystic Fibroses which is a dijestive/lung disease and Amy was not absorbing what she ate, it was never bc I didn't feed her. ASSHOLES!!! Jomie became an A student with honors in Art and Math. He has a brilliant mind and is doing well in ND. We lost Amy in 2000, but the two daughters she left us with is like her all over again, they both look just like her.

    Well that's all I got for now. Some past events stir up both good and terrible memories. Our lessons to learn. Some are most difficult to endure.

    Peace
    sh
     
  3. ChrisWah

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    SH
    You have cleared up everything! and in fact added things that I thought would be on the unmentionable front!

    You were there for the firebombing and and all the situations that are the scarry movie stuff!

    SO SO glad to hear that the kids grew up to not only be healthy but also have you back all this time!!!

    I never thought that there would ever be mention of the "under of the under" at all!

    If it ain't clear now what is what then and what house was what house then it will never be!!

    You take care! Peace and living without looking out is so well deserved for you!!

    There are some things that I cannot mention as I am not as free to feel able to mention them as you!

    Again thanks so much for the info and I hope that the rest of life will be one where you and your family can be happy strong and ALWAYS togather!!

    Peace/love

    Great post BTW!

    ww
     
  4. wlzev

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    Folks;
    I think that where it gets confusing is that every body was at Good Earth at both different and the same times and for varying lengths of time. People lived at different places at different times. In addition many people lived in one place but except for sleeping hung out somewhere else. What you S-H called the Blue House I always thought of as the Oak Street House (1915). I remember Kitten, Darryl and their daughter (was her name Ronnie) - (and then the new baby) living at 1915. Myself and Nancy, Leo Ron, Reggie and Dawn, Larry Lautzker, Jerry (until his untimely?? death) also lived there. I don't remember any of the tunnels (I guess I'm lucky I never had to use them). The only escape route I knew of was the connected yards bwteen the Cole Street building and 1915 Oak. Even today I forget where our car repair garage was and where the workshop (that Cyril hung out and worked in) was. Of course, a whole lot of my memory ( maybe other people's as well) was affected by the various substances that I ingested. Also after Nancy and I moved up to an apartment on Cole between Judah and Parnassus things also changed. I wish that somebody who could draw (or illustrate) would make a diagram/map etc. of all of our houses and locations and we could label them and their occupants with a chronology who lived and worked where and when.
    Since finding this forum, my mind has been dredging up names, places and events and trying to fit them together. Oh for the days when we were young and immortal (and perhaps a little stupid). No regrets; but one always wonders about the path not taken.
    Peace out.
    ZEV
     
  5. shameless_heifer

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    Chris,
    I doubt if SF wants me after all these yrs, statutes and all. My name has changed so many times it would be difficult to connect me with any hanias crime. I did no crime. I just took my boy back. They had no right to hold him from me, there had been no court order. He did not want to be there and I did not want him there.

    What made me freek out so bad is that they call me unfit, and they had Jomie in a Pinafore which is a little girls dress. Jomie had long blond hair he was about three or fourish. He sure didn't look like a girl and if they watched him pee or gave him a bath I'm sure they saw that he was a boy. They even had his hair in pigtails.

    I was arrested for nothing, me and Jomie were asleep when they busted in on us at the upper whitehouse. They ripped Jomie from my arms and clubed me and cuffed my ankles and wrists behind my back I was fighting like a wildcat. I didn't know who they were or what they were doing. I was asleep, it was dark. I wanted my boy.

    They kept me in City Prison 5 days then just cut me loose without another word. They wouldn't tell me where they took Jomie, I was frantic. Finally one of the inmates told me to look in Child Haven cuz that is where they took kids. That's where I found him dressed like a girl, dumbasses..
     
  6. shameless_heifer

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    Oh BTW Kitten's baby was call Kisha, Kitten is in LA and I believe that Eden is still in SF. I talked to her a few times on the phone recently, she is well and doing her thing.
     
  7. ChrisWah

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    Yeah I TOTALLY Understand as the LD's did the most outrageous things back then. I know shit was crazy as the early seventies changes and lots of things changed with "FAMLIES". BUT Like what they did to you was just totally WRONG. Then the firebombing and the constant harrassment a lot of wasted energy and creation of bad bad energy! .

    They went after my sister and Buddy and others too!

    Shit they even stooped to arresting me for prostitution and lude acts because i had a hole in my pants! Just to see if they could do more. Then put out warrents for not showing up in Court when I ain't even in town!.. THEN you are a CRIMINAL because of that BS!!!

    You did good MOMMA!!

    I understand your point too about no one having any interest in SF about back then. I am just still way to leary of this internet world! lol

    It is so weird about the FREAKS who worked at the CPS back then too. AND it was not just in SF! Me and Sheila had to leave the Milo Farm and go into the DEEP woods in ORYGUN when we delivered Caleb on our bus!

    We took him into Canyonville just to have him checked about three days after we delivered him. The nurse jumped in Sheila and my face told us we did not know what we were doing delivering our son and doing it in our bus. AND that how dare we live in a BUS with two children!

    Shit we were healthier and stronger than they were!

    Sheila got rowdy with her and the next thing we know they sent a welfare CPS freak to look for us with "LAW DOG" (I LOVE your defination and revival of the phrase) escort. We were on the other side of the South Umpqua and we got word over a CB radio from Duna Farm that they had stopped there to try to find us because they were "concerned" and felt that they needed to intervene and wanted to get Ryland and Caleb(the new one) "JUST TO MAKE SURE" there was no Child endangerment! SHIT they wanted to take our kids because they did not another generation of US!!

    So we left the farm and went up to the Forest camp(about 10 miles past AV) just so there would be no hassles for the Food Farm folks with CPS and Cops. NO WAY WOULD THEY GET OUR KIDS!

    Not near what you had to endure as yours son was STOLEN and you were in their hands. But it was just so Fu#$%^ UP the way they would take our kids back then AND do all the shit they could to get us off the freeside!

    WOW actually felling pissed off again after all these years!

    DEEP BREATHS!!!

    ok better now

    can say
    peace/love
    ww

    Did you know Little Terry Lane (guy) He called me from SF the other day Rock Scully wrote his book at TLs pad a few years back. I been told it is a good read as some memories are there too!
     
  8. shameless_heifer

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    Was little Terry the one involved in the Page St incident. Mama Kitty was living there when it came down. I was living on upper Cole when it happened. Kitten came over and told me in tears, her and the kids managed to excape out the back before the bomb went off and burnt down the place. She lost everything in that terrible fire the pigs started. One of thoes flash bombs. We went over to watch what was happening and the pigs wouldn't let the fire dept put it out. They told them to wait a while, till they were sure everything was beyond saving. I heard them say, one way to get rid of the vermin.

    I do remember you and Shelia.
     
  9. wlzev

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    What year was the Page Street Thing? I remember something heavy happening on Page but things are fuzzy.

    Peace out
    ZEV
     
  10. wlzev

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    Wasn't there also a SFPD raid on an SLA house on Page street? Every time I visit this forum it brings back more memories and even more questions.. SH do you know where Leo Ron's old lady Reggie and their daughter Dawn are. What about Whitey?
    ZEV
     
  11. shameless_heifer

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    Zev,
    The Page St bombing happened in 74' it was either October, or November. I can just about pinpoint the date bc that's when I became pregnant with my daughter. I went to Phoenix right after that and came back after Amy was born.

    It was about one of the sisters, she was nine months PG and the pigs came and said she stole a bicycle and carried it up two flights of stairs.(right) They damanded she be turned over and it just wasn't happening, so they tossed a incininary(sp) bomb and burnt the place down.

    As far as how many house were Good Earth, when I was living there there were about nine houses in The Haight alone. I'm not sure how many there were in the whole of SF, but I can count eight or nine in The Haight.

    Oak St House, White House, Underhouse, Toothless Jimmys on lower Cole,. The Page St House near Clayton and the Page St house by Schrader, The Hole in the Wall on Haight St and Upper Cole, so maybe nine.

    If there were more I didn't hang out in them. There may have beem more but these are the ones I frequented in the Haight.
    sh
     
  12. shameless_heifer

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    I'm not sure where Reggie went, perhaps to Eugene, I'll ask Spud if he knows.

    Whitey hasn't been located yet either. Lots of people looking for Whitey.

    Leo Ron has passed over I heard from Mouseman, Cyril too.. May they RIP

    Remember The Starship (truck) and Meg. Shills ended up with Meg, Shills is living in Tenn driving a truck. Jimmy Painter is driving truck too, Shills ran into him in NY while delivering a load. but I don't know where. I sure would love to see ole Jimmy, we was way close. He told the law dogs that I was his sister sos they would let me visit and write him when he was @ San Quiten. Me Diane and Ellen went to see him while he was there, we took him some party ballons'. I lost contact with him in 77. I loved him like a brother. He was my rescue demon. I pray he is doing well.

    sh
     
  13. ChrisWah

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    Hi all.

    SH yes he was.

    TL is living in SF again and has been for a long while now.

    Do you remember Sharon (The Prisoners union stuff) I am sure you do cause If I know about it from all my stop and go visiting then you do as you lived it day in and day out. I am fairly sure she and her man ended up up in Northern Cal around leggit. She and I go back to those young High School days when I was living house to house as I was on my own at 16. I did try going back to the parents for a bit but it did not work! I guess that is why my kids have never truly left us! lol Gave them a different perspective of LIFE and they seemed to have decided to stay close to us. OPPS right turn there sorry!! Just blessed that I have three boys who love mom and Dad cause we kept them close and gave them love I guess !

    Back on track......

    Last time I saw Whitey was in Orygun a long time ago (early eightys maybe) at a bar outside of Canyonville

    I spoke with Hap and Marry the other day. Happy ended up out at there I think around 73/74 ish??

    It might be difficult memories but do you remember Candy (red hair woman) not to be confused with Candyman. Life has not been to good for her as she is in P-town barely living.

    How about Tubbie? He was from SO Cal but in SQ and when he got out got help from the flow. Finally getting up to the Country, where he meet a woman had kids and has also Passed on.

    Peace/love
    ww
     
  14. wlzev

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    What about Annie? She lived in the White House. She was pretty little thing with dirty blond hair. And the Hawain girl (whose name I can't remember( very thin and very young) and Xiomara (a hot tempered black haired Latina beauty) Larry "The Hat" Lautzker the Brooklyn connection, Big, bearded, Ron who lived upstairs in the Cole street house behind 1915, Tony Serra the family's lawyer. Anybody know what happened to them?
     
  15. ChrisWah

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    Tony Sera lol
    he has gone on to represent some really big names and in fact he help out terry and some others (including myself) with some issues!!

    He still has a long pony tail when I last saw him about 5 years ago. Suit and pony tail fighting for "Justice"!!

    Peace/love
    ww
     
  16. shameless_heifer

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    Mora was kids ole lady, she moved to phoenix and became a dancer, she was cuban. Havent heard anything on Kid..Annie hasnt been heard from since she and Chuck MF split the sheets. Big Ron died Ranger said while he and Rita was here in June. Chuck is with the family in eugene someplace.

    sh
     
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    hello all.. i was wondering about almira who ws age 13 in 1971..she lived with a tall blond.. forgot his n ame.. she was originally from oregon.. her sister came to oak st. to get her to go back home..she and the guy lived on first floor of oak st.. next to cyrill issacs.. and his lady nancy..she ws beautiful.. and anyone know where athena is.. she was age 16 in 71..from new york...still wonder about jacki from cleveland as i am..and pisces patti and rini.. gf of jack casady of the airplane...marianne and daughter valeri she was age 8 and i use to baby sit she and kittens daughter ronnie who was age 5 at the time...herman and lauren..johnny who lived in basement with us.. anyone knoww ho took care of my black cat.. blythe.. after i left? aug 71
     
  18. wlzev

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    J.
    Last I heard Herman ( don't know who he was with) was living in Canyonville. But that was a long time ago. As I recall, he was licensed plumber
    ZEV.
    PS. I still searching for the poster. No luck yet.[​IMG]
     
  19. shameless_heifer

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    Herman Da Plumber as we all called him, yep, he was in Canyonville, I don't know if he is.. yes he is, Rita said she saw him or someone mentioned him while they were up there in may. There is a lot of peoples on the river in northern Cali clear up to Oregon.

    I was thinking what a great movie it would be if we made a movie about The Good Earth Commune. We were, after all the core of The Haight for many many years, we contributed a lot to the neighborhood and helping keep the Carousel, Avalon and Filmore rockin n a rollin'. I believe GE did a lot of great things for the movement and would be interesting to a lot of people.

    Ya know Wild Bill is a director/film-maker dontcha. They did a write up with his name in it in the Hollywood Reporter, he's dancin' in his cowboy boots :p How very cool for him. His call name is Will Huston, good on em.

    Brightest Blessings
    sh
     
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    Yeah I heard that WB had done some directing...Maybe read it in the Entertainment rags.

    My old Company that I have sold to my brother now, is located in LA very near to HollyWEIRD. I did lot of Automated lighting and we also did some major feature films AI, Spiderman, Minority Report etc. Also did/do a lot of Touring. Staging, audio, Lighting, and even Video now. If someone gets it rolling I can get my old Company to contribute. Look it up at CWP.net I also know Candace B the Lighting Designer/Director for the Dead (well was lol) and Phil Lesh and that flow. If a great screenplay/script was developed.....well it would take a lot of energy and Financial backing just the same. Could maybe get some oldtimers excited about a project about the Roots of and the flow in general. Maybe Documentary type thing?? There may be one or two of us who became a Millionaire scumbag (KIDDING) who would like to become a Producer!.....WELL YA NEVER SAY NEVER lol

    Peace/Love
    ww
     

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