christians and fundamentalism

What is a Catamite? Webster's dictionary defines catamite as "the youthful lover of an older man derived from the Latin name Catamus." Catamus was the first Catholic priest, who didn't even wait until the rock of Lord Jesus' tomb was rolled back to get a young boy spread eagle on an altar (a practice that resulted in the early church adopting the name "altar boy.") The first Pope was so impressed with Catamus' ability to bugger young altar boys while never losing his place in scripture during service, that he coined the name for the new church "Catholic," using Catamus' name and the activity for which Catamus had become notorious. The traditions establish by Catamus have become sacred rites of passage for all Catholic priests, often taking 40-50 years to perfect and master. What once was ostensibly a Christian Church has become little more than a excuse for grown men to wear dresses and bugger young boys – with the so-called "church" offering the vocational perk to its priests of often relocating pedophiles to new parishes so that they may "sample some new flavors."

 

Hahaha

That''s hilarious

 

Amen to that, sister!

 

Everyone serves something... through your life you choose to serve that which is of the most high value to you, be it God, science, money, alcohol, family, work, anything you want... anything you feel is important...

Choral music is scary.

 

i know there is no way of me proving anythin to you...no i wa\snt there to see jesus face to face to hear his teachings, but i do believe that this truth, i believe it becuase i read it in the bible, i believe it because god speaks it to my heart...im not sayin this gives you reason to believe it too, but this is why i beleiev. i cannot look at the transformation in my life without sayin 100% i believe in god.
i have never and will never yell at anyone and say they are damned to an eternity in hell unless they follow me!! i dont believe non christians are evil so they alol desrev to burn in hell...i believe we have all messed up and becuase of that none of us can enter heaven...its not your great you get eteranbl life , your rubbish you desreve to die...thats not what im saying! but i do believe that god exists that heaven is real and that one day we will all have to stand before the throne of god. on that day those people that god didnt know will not be able to enter heaven, this isnt becuase they are horrible people or worse than any of the christians, not at all! and hell is seperation from god, the pan of seeing do face to face and not being able to live with him.

i try my hardest in life not to be judgemental, although i believe we all are to some extent unintentionally, i believe its gods place to judge not me..but i also follow a faith that says we all need to know jesus and so obviously i want to share jeusus with people. i dont want to shake my fist at non christians and say, look at your life! your so wrong and evil! thats not what i think at all..i just want to share the hope and the love that i have found at the cross.
jesus was loving and forgiving and yes in aspects he was accepting...he ate and drank with the people the society of that day cast out..the prostitutes, the tax collecters...but he never condoned the behaviour of theses people. he never allowed his tolerance to say, i love you, your happy therefore carry on doing whatever you want...to the contrary, he loved theses people so much that he cried for them to turn from there ways so that they could live life to the full.

 

there's a bit in revelation that says somethin like "some of you are hot in your faith, some are cold, but you are lukewarm so i will spit you out of my mouth" - i didn't wanna be like that. i don't wanna be in that situation on judgement day where i have to stand before God and he says, "who are you, i never knew you" - now my heart breaks for people who don't know God, but like luchi said, i wouldn't go around shoutin at people to believe otherwise you're gonna burn in hell. or forcing them to agree to something they didn't understand.
the best way of doing it i feel is living a life but, people realising you are living if differently and living it for a reason thats greater than just having a good time, being happy and being content which is the basis of some religions.
there's so much more than that, but i know i'll never persuade some people because you're too set in your ways. just gotta leave it to God to talk to ya, cos he can and will show you if you want to see him.

also, choral music is cool, but many thousands of people includin me, worship with rock music and so many other ways but, it's not ritualistic at all...i sometimes feel closer to God in those situations when i can worship in my own free way.

 

This is the problem. Lots of other people have beliefs that speak to them just as strongly, but they're just beliefs. You don't know what the truth is any more than I do. You should have the humility to accept that you may be wrong. Believe strongly and with conviction.... but accept the possibility that you may be wrong.

So non-christians don't get to enter heaven? Why not? Because we lived our lives to the best of our ability? Because we tried to be the best people we can? Because we listened to the voice of our conscience? Because we made the mistake of not believing in your god?

Sorry, but this is just avoidance. Of course you judge. By deciding what you believe to be sin, you are judging. Don't try and put it onto god. It's not as though he speaks with one voice - many christians believe different things, so you choose what you believe to be sin - and that's a judgement.

He loved them so much that he'd exclude them from heaven if they were unable to mend their ways? Yes, very loving. Not exactly unconditional, is it?

 

That's the most patronising, insulting shite I ever heard, and exactly why so many people can;t stand the attitude of fundamentalist christians. Not only are you absolutely convinced that you're right and the rest of us are wrong, but you have the nerve to pity us! God won't talk to us, because he doesn't exist. He's a childish fantasy invented to save you the effort of working out what's right and wrong for yourself.

 

its not like, your not good enough, you didnt do enough good on earth so you cant get in to heaven. if that were the case, noone would be going there becuase noone is good enough. we cannot work out salvation for ourselves. god isnt happy to not alloow some people into heaven, its not where he gets his kicks. god adores every single human on this earth that he lovingly created. but god is pure and holy and heaven is his dwelling place. nothing other than what is pure and holy can enter.thats the way it is. i am not pure and holy in myself but jesus is and becuase i follow jesus his body cleanes my sin and allows me to eneter heaven.not on my merit or by any effort ive made but by thew grace of god. god doesnt exculde anyone from heaven becuase they are unable to mend there ways. i guarantee you on the day of judgement there will be hundreds of my horrible ways which will be unmended...but it is not by our lifestyles that we get in. its not by our good works, it is purely and solely by gods grace that coevers all wrong.

non christians wont get into heaven because hevan is gods dwellling place. first of all, whey get het yp about a place you dont believ in? if you dont lbelieve in god then surely you dont believe in his home so therefor why are you bothered by the fact that non christians cant get in?
secondly as iv said, you can try and live as great a life as posible, selfless, loving, giving...but its never goin to match up with gods standards becuase hes so pure and were so tainted. and we muck up every day. so no matter how great a person is they cannot entere heaven unless there sins have been coeverdd by the sacrifice of jesus christ.

 

That's the most patronising, insulting shite I've ever heard...

 

ok look dok, your set in your thinking, were set in ours...you believe god doesnt exist, we believe he does. were not really gona go anywhere are we? it offends you for someone to say adamently that god is real and that he will speak to you if youll listen to him...just as it offends us for you to say he a childish fantasty that has been invented to rule our thoughts...we arguin a never ending battle. you say we are intolerant and close minded becuase we believe for definate in god and his existance, yet you speak indefinately that he isnt real! therefore, where as we might say through our beliefs that you are worng, you are saying through yours that we are wrong. whatever ok...lets chill

 

thankyou tulip x

 

u wunt know unless it hpnd,i though gos was made up,untill he did that exact same thing for me,he spoke to me!
not in the way that i speak to u or we stpeak to our friends,the voice of god speaks to the soul.
and wot he is sayin is truth......if some1 talks to sum1 bout the gospela of jesus and the reject it,theres nothing that person can do to persuade them,but its left fo th holy spirit to wrk on them and soften theyre hearts.sorry if it sounds patronising,but ti is the truth.......5 years ago i wuda argued with u,but im in too deep now!
and god is soooo much alive and relevant and exciting i can resist any opertunity to talk anout his gr8 ness,even if it does offend u

 

Duh, yeah. That was kinda the intention. Sort of illustrates how offensive it is to tell everyone else that you're right and they're wrong, doesn't it?

 

Not entirely correct. I believe that god doesn't exist in the form that you imagine.

I think I covered that one in my last post.

Bullshit. I say christians are intolerant and closed-minded because of their attitude to what they see as sin. Not because they believe in god.

Nuhuh. I say that you can't know for certain that he's real. What offends me is not your belief in god, but your conviction that you couldn't possibly be wrong.

 

Well why do you care if you're right and we're not? Why don't you just stay on your high horse and let the little people say what they want?

 

I think our good old (English) queen Elizabeth 1st had it right.

Practice whatever religion feels right to you. Spirituality is individual and the owner of it's own soul..... Just don't try to kill me in the name of it...or "off with your head"

 

Well that;s just the funniest thing I ever heard! A xtian accusing someone of being 'on their high horse' is certainly ironic.

Of course, all you're trying to do is silence free speech, which I guess shouldn't surprise me given the history of the church. Why should I 'let you say what you want' without comment? Isn't this a discussion forum? Go try silence someone else.

 

But like several of us have said in this thread ... we have different conceptions of "god", conceptions which differ from yours. The problem here is that you don't accept there is any other way of looking at things than your own. You don't have some special knowledge of "god" unique to you and your own specific faith. Everyone experiences the same things as you but we call it by different names. Fundamentalism can not accept this and as such I'm afraid I can see it as nothing other than blinkered closed-mindedness.

It most certainly is ritualistic. The fact that you attain spiritual experiences by worshipping with rock music to me seems like clear evidence that what you are feeling is a psychological phenomenon common to us all.

 

Erm, no... I'm not silencing anyone here, I'm only getting fed up with this thread going nowhere and I think it might as well sink in to oblivion for all I care... but feel free to go on for as long as you like, do you see me standing in front of your computer trying to stop you? I think not...

~lovetulip.