Christianity, really?

If you want obedience my friend, I would suggest you get yourself a dog. If you seek comprehension, I suggest that you open up your mind. I feel as though I have already provided scriptural basis. If you could be more specific with me it would assist me in this instance in meeting your criteria of specificity.

 

I suggest you are stalling, because you have made a statement that disagrees with the Bible and are reluctant to admit it.

 

And does your accusation further the process along?

 

Still stalling I see, get back to me when you have something to say.

 

And he withdrew to await a more opportune time.

 

Yep, that's what I did.

 

The way I see it is, I'd rather have it as a fun corporate festival that I've always known Christmas as, having been brought up in a completely secular and atheist household, than not celebrate it at all. I just make a point of removing anything religious from my celebrations.
Christmas will always be a fun and exciting time for me, it's a great time of the year, but it's like a birthday to me, a completely secular but fun and memorable time of the year.

 

Sounds like a good time will be had by all.

 

You were thedope. Well, well, well: nature is hiidden for fly out and out to the skies, the friendly skies of United.:cheers2:

 

This is the statement you question;
"All this demonstrates is that they had not learned about or to respect the concept of property or learned yet to speak. There is no "human nature" but there is human behavior and behavior is determined by relationship with the environment."

What part of this statement do you feel contradicts or disagrees with the bible?

 

Starting over again? Okay.

 

He's not basing his views on the bible as much as he is personal observation.

You should either fight his argument using bible verses or logic.

You can't prove him wrong by saying he lacks evidence because you have given no more than he has

 

To apply such a concept only to the Christian faith from the Bible would be requiring that we have no explanation for Sin. But the bible is wholly a revelation about the problem of Sin. Various faiths explain sin and also human nature at self-realized status. So the other problem of contradicting the environment is truly a matter of contradicting the concept of literally Time moving forward in our sinning. No; that's not a contradiction, thedope.

In Time we are changing human nature to stop sinning. Woops, that's also called the Fall for :hat:.

 

Hey Rudenoodle,

Many Egyptologists agree that Horus did not have a virgin birth and that his life did not parallel the life of Yeshua. Horus was described to have been conceived through the marriage of Isis and Osiris. Seth killed Osiris, and from his mangled parts, Isis put him back together. Since he lost his 'member', his wife fashioned for him a phallus and from that they conceived Horus. So while it is a miraculous conception, it is not a virgin birth. In another story, he was eaten by crocodiles then remade but was never described to have a burial. He did however return to his Father Ra. As for his ministry, Horus had a few followers and no evidence suggests that it was 12. The theology of Egyptian religion is much different from the theology of Christianity and so is the symbolism that is used.

As for Dionysus that was later adopted by the Romans as Bacchus, he was the God of the Vine and his ministry consisted of bringing out the 'true self' through the use of ecstasy. He did not have disciples, but he did have followers that went with him all across the land while Jesus contained his itinerant ministry in Judea. Dionysus, while being the son of Semele a human woman and of Zeus (They had an affair then his wife Hera found out and was jealous), was described as being 'twice born'. There are two versions to this story, but they both end up rescuing the dying fetus of Dionysus by Zeus sewing him to his thigh until ready to be born. At this point, he was raised by nymphs where he perfected his powers then lead violent expeditions using his gift of ecstasy after inventing wine.

So a closer look reveals that the accounts are not very similar... If we looked to the lives of JFK and Lincoln we can find many similarities on the surface but a closer look reveals that they are two different accounts. So like with JFK and Lincoln, we can't say the same for Jesus and pagan Deities.

If they were similar there would be example of Jesus being ripped apart as Horus was and being put together but through the theology of Christianity. So as an example, he would have been refashioned from the ground or recreated by water or recreated from bread, but the accounts do not connect like as per my example... IMO only then can we imply the copy cat theory.

If we did the same for the other deities, then it would reveal the same conclusion: That these stories do not parallel with the ministry and life of Jesus.

 

If he's basing it on a personal viewpoint and not the the Bible, that's fine, let him say he has no Bible backing for his personal observation.

As for fighting his argument, all I asked was if he had scriptural backing for his statement and that is hardly fight.

At this this point, I'm not trying to prove or disprove anything and thus need no evidence one way or another but thanks anyway.

 

God created man in his own likeness and image. Therefore there is no human nature as distinct from God given nature.

 

Do you have scripture to back up this claim.

 

Yes.

 

Care to share it?

 

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