Christianity, really?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Lostthoughts, Dec 13, 2009.

  1. thedope

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    It is not that Christian practice succeeds at best in the vernacular of love, but that many adherents are not seeking love but comfort and that vernacular comforts them. Those who seek the truth find it no matter where they look.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    That's the point, Jesus fulfilled the law that is why Christians are no longer under it.
     
  3. Lostthoughts

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    But he said that he didn't come to change the law, then he says that we are not to break even the smallest rule.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    He didn't change the law he fulfilled it and did not break even the smallest of it's rules.

    Imagine the law to be a contract, Jesus did not break that contract or change it but he fulfilled that contract in full. Now that that contract has been fulfilled, a new contract has been put in force for Christians and the old contract is no longer binding on Christians.
     
  5. Lostthoughts

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    But that's not what he says.

    He clearly says the the law remains the same, and those who disobey it will be least in the kingdom of heaven
     
  6. thedope

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    Clearly, and to love God with all your heart and might and love your neighbor as yourself, to do those two things, and those two things only, accomplishes the whole law.
     
  7. Lostthoughts

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    Or mabey not

    to follow the law, you must not eat shrimp, touch pigs, allow homosexuals to live, get certain kinds of haircuts, or get tatoos (I'm leaving out a lot)
     
  8. thedope

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    The law of the tablets, not the laws of men.
     
  9. Lostthoughts

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    But Jesus wasn't just talking about the ten comandments, he was talking about Jewish law
     
  10. thedope

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    Pretty sure he's referring to Gods law.
     
  11. Lostthoughts

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    Is that a random assumption? Or do you have evidence for it?

    Maybe you should read the chapter

    right after he talks about keeping the law, he expands by saying that we need take the law to another level, and talks about the laws on divorce, oaths, and revenge. None of these apear in the ten comandments :)
     
  12. thedope

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    Yes, that the current custom was inadequate. And yes, none of those customs is in the ten commandments but were given to accommodate, hardness of heart.
     
  13. Lostthoughts

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    Um... What? Nvm, I've made my point and if you don't think it works, I'm not going to be able to convince you.

    On a different note, OWB, you've talked about how people go to a common grave when they die until everyone is resurected.

    But what happens when people are resurected?
     
  14. thedope

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    Because you say Um... What? I assume I have not stated my point clearly enough.
    Whoever sits at the right or left of God is not for us to decide. You asked if I was making a random assumption or if I had evidence. The interpretation I am presenting is consistent with all other elements of jesus' instruction. Jesus made a distinction between Jewish tradition and Gods law.

    For your hardness of heart, Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
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    Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, You shall not swear falsely, but shall preform to the lord what you have sworn. But I say to you, do not swear at all.
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    So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God..., teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.
     
  15. Lostthoughts

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    That makes more sense now.
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    What he clearly says is: “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; for truly I say to YOU that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place. (Matthew 5:17-18) At the time Jesus said this, all things had not yet taken place but Jesus, with his death, nailed the law to the torture stake, thus fulfilling the law, so Christians are no longer under the law.

    I could show you many scriptures that show that the law was a tutor leading to the Christ and that Christians are not under the law but in this forum posting of a lot of scriptures is not allowed.
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    There is to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

    A few will be resurrected to heaven to be priests and kings with Jesus but the majority of mankind will be resurrected here on earth to live forever under paradise conditions.

    The majority of those will wish to live on earth forever under those conditions but a few will want to continue to live the wicked lives they lived before they died and will thus choose to go off into the second death, everlasting cutting off or non-existence.
     
  18. Lostthoughts

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    ok, do you have any verses to back that up?
     
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    Is this resurrection to happen all at the same time? ANd consequently the redemption in the body and blood of Jesus Christ; would it be perceivable from the Soul outside Time? I think of the resurrection as some kind of Knowledge offered for the chosen few of their condition of redemption; would They Be deceived any less than the wicked many (of course, relatively speaking)?
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yep :D
     

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