Christianity, really?

God is merciful, if not he wouldnt have went through with the whole Jesus/ressurection bit. Without that right now everyone really would be in hell. But he wont directlhy speak to, but he gives you plenty of signs, oppurtunities, chances, whatever. He cant make your decision be one thing or the other. And once you die your decision is final. Its a done deal. Your only chance is while your on earth.

 

What about those that die before they get to read the Bible or are born blind and deaf?

To cut to the chase, what is your reason for believing that hell is a place of torment? Why is the Bible describing death as a place of no thoughts and compares it to a cloud that vanishes? Even God's prophets went to this place.

Why does Jesus go to the dead and say that they are merely sleeping? If Jesus' miracles eludes to his spiritual message and God's plan then why did he raise people from the dead?

What about this verse: Acts 24:15 "and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked."

 

Couldn't help but notice that you still haven't answered my question about Christmas:

Which part did you have in mind, the birth of Jesus? Do you celebrate it on Dec. 25, the date of the pagan Saturnalia or on about Oct. 1 or 2 the time that is most likely for his date of birth?

Still interested in knowing whether you go with what the Bible says or you go with the pagan Saturnalia.

 

Nope, leave them on the floor.

 

That makes no sense... If God is all powerful, he could just let everyone into heaven.

Have you read my original post? It makes no sense that God would send himself to get killed so he can rise again, then expect people 2000 years later to believe it. If they don't believe it they go to hell? Why couldn't God just come bursting to the clouds and tell everyone to believe?

And as for saying I don't understand, I think I understand perfectly, read my original post and tell me what I got wrong.

What... how about the people who were raised Islamic and have as much faith as you do? What about the people who were killed by the crusaders in the name of Christ?

and as for you and OWB, how about actuly saying something other than he doesn't make points. How about you make some points, or at least give a Bible verse

 

What did you have in mind? I asked him a question and I'm still waiting for a answer.

 

Thats what I meant, he's just posting without saying anything. I'm waiting too

 

Sorry, my bad.

 

He very well could, and would have if sin would have never entered the world. If He would just let everyone into Heaven regardless of their faith it would be unjust. To this and to whoever posted the verse from Acts. John 5:29 "and come forth-those who have done good, to the ressurection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." NKJV. Meaning if your a sinner in this world and are not a born again believer in death you go to Hell. If you are a true born again true you are still a sinner. everyone sins in their life, if they didnt there would be no need for Hell. But if you have the faith and have repented and are born again, you get to go to an eternity in paradise. God is all powerful, but he is also just and fair. You cant go to Heaven without the true faith, and you cant go to Hell if you do have that faith.

And as far as Christmas goes Im really not sure why I celebrate the birth of Christ on Dec. 25th but it makes not much of a difference whether you do it then or whenever else. Its the purpose of why you celebrate that would be I guess pleasing to God not a date. Majority of all christian faiths celebrate on Dec. 25th. aside from the church of armenia. It really could be in December just as much as October. The Bible never records anything as to the actual date so its anyones guess.

Also in addition to the above, Revelation 20:12 NKJV "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done."

 

God can only assist you not force, it is ultimately up to you. Even if you are blind or death God is fair and just. He would find a way to reach out to them and give them more then their fair share of oppurtunities just as He does with everyone else. In the end every knee shall bow and every tongue confess He is the Lord. Its your belief and faith prior that makes the difference. You can throw all you would like at me and it will roll off I know the truth and my faith, and I know where I will end up.I wish the same for you, but ultimately its your decision just as I have my own.

 

And also to Def Zeppelin yes i very well could be selectively or misreading to anextent on certain things also. But fact still remains names aside there is an eternity in paradise as well as an eternity in torment.its not the name of it that matters.

 

The verses you listed say nothing about being born again, they focus on works

Edit: So if a buhdist monk strived for holyness his whole life, he would burn in hell, and if adolf Hitler had a deathbed conversion, he would go to heaven. And an American who lives the same as all the heathens but believes in god goes to heaven? And how is god giving people all these chances? There are millions of people who have never heard that god died 2000 years ago, do they go to hell?

 

I wasnt focusing on being born again. I was focusing on afterlife. And really it didnt flat out say it but it is even including things related to being born again.

Heres something. John 3:1-7 NKJV "There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

 

And how is it possiblr that there a people who have not heard ANYTHING or had SOME sort of chance. Every single person born heres the name God and the name Jesus Christ. Alot of people might claim they never had their oppurtunity or heard their chance what ever. In my opinion what that boils down to is when it was there they ignore or deny.

 

I'm sorry man, but that is total BULL SHIT. There are less of them in America, but I promise you there are millions of people who have never heard the name Jesus. And millions more who have heard his name but have no idea who he was, and what about the people 50 years after Jesus' death, before the bible was even written.

You honestly can't see that basing your life on the idea that god went from having people kill goats to earn his love, to killing him to earn his love. Then 2000 years later he expects people to believe that we killed god based on very little little evedence, and sends those who don't believe to eternal torment?

Like, honestly?

 

Also in addition to the Acts verse someone poted. The just or saved are resurrected first in the rapture, and the rest stays. And then again after the Tribulation that were saved during the Tribulation. And then the unsaved or unjust will be raised at what is called The Great White Thrown Judgement after the 1000 year millenial reign of Jesus. The first ressurection is for the saved and is called the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the second is The Great White Thrown Judgement for the unsaved. Saved as in meaning being a born again christian.

 

Im sorry for you, I dont need any pity from you I know and believe what is true. Your the worst kind of a lost soul because you have had full absolute oppurtunity and deny it. In the end you will know the truth, and the only person you will have to blame is yourself. I hope between now and then you can change but theres not alot I can really do to change your mind if your set in believing deceit. It is your decison, it your decision is leading you to an eternity of torment. The worst part about it to me is I think in your original post you were saying you once were a believer so that says to me either you truly werent, because those who truly believe wouldnt turn away like you have, or that you seriously have something wrong if you could believe and then turn away. Your screen name really does describe you as you really do have "lost" thoughts.

 

Is the answer I get everytime I ask questions

 

If thats the same answer you get especially if it would be from true believers. Shouldnt that be saying something. That to me just proves my points even further.

 

Um... Except for the fact that you avoid my questions and tell me the same thing I would be told by the Jews, the Muslims and the hindus.

"Follow our religion or you will burn in HELL!"

Good job, you convinced me