Christianity: "Over and Done"

My God fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament, and His coming had been predicted hundreds of years before He arrived. He is a God of order and of truth. The other Gods donot speak with authority nor do they reveal the future. And the reason for this? Only the true God, knows the future.

And I'm not special at all, but my God is.

 

300, eh? Were these extracted using the "bible code" method then?

 

Or perhaps not prayed at all. Maybe they'd already decided to give him the job anyway.
It's another of the absurd aspects of most popular religion to imagine that god intervenes to get you a job, whilst somewhere in another part of the world, thousands die in a natural disaster even though no doubt many pray to god or whoever to save them.
Why I wonder would the xian god be so unjust?

 

Oh but you are special Campbell - just that you don't realize it. Everyone is special - unique - never to be repeated.
It is one of the unfortunate things about c/anity that it engenders in people this feeling of worthlessness - it disempowers people, and prevents them from becoming what they should really be.
Keeps them grovelling in the dust in fear.

 

It does?
You dont believe that at all do you BlackBill.
I would think you have made just a cursory investigation into this Christianity which you are now deconstructing?
If you did, you would find a God who so loves the world that he gave his only begotten Son so that whoever would believe him would not die but instead have eternal life.
The individual person is therefore the highest possible value and therein lays no more fear.
This is the very core of Christianity.
Its essential teachings.

Please do not comment on Christianity again until you go and pick up a New Testament, give it a decent read through.
Then come back and try and write about it again.
Deal?

 

No chance.

I've read the bible and many other works on c/anity. Probably know more about it than many who designate themselves xian.



'I'm nothing special' - that sums it up. What made Mr. C say that? It is because I'm right, and c/anity leads to this totally phoney version of 'humility'. But actually, it's just disfunction. Negative mental attitudes lead only to negativity - no wonder xians are keen to get life out of the way and go as they suppose, to heaven. Both the world itself and the individual are basically seen by c/anity as negative, bad, 'sinful'. God alone is good.

Fear is one of the main motivating factors behind this foolish superstition. Fear of judgement, fear of hell.

If one doesn't believe in either of these things, and outside one book of dubious origin, written by extremely ignorant ancients there is no reason to believe in such stuff, then it has no appeal. Simple.
If my view of it doesn't concur with yours, then clearly, one of us has got it wrong, and I don't think it's me.

I will continue to comment as I see fit This is a free speech forum, and if you can't handle that I suugest you pack it in.

 

No you have not.
Please stop pretending like you have any expertise on this or even a basic understanding.
Its obvious you are bluffing by the entirely silly comments about fear based belief systems being in the New Covenant.

Btw.. would you like to comment on the most fundamental premise of Christianity being the New Covenant and how it works from the Old Covenant?

Or would you like some time to google your arse off fast enough to make it appear as if you have any clue what Im talking about?
Actually I hope you do try and google this and even BS your way through the very fundamental premises for Christianity.
That will at least be something more than you have now - which is zero.

aaannnnnd Go..

 

I will comment on the 'new covenenant'. It is insanity based on fear and false notions of the universe.
. It is supposed that under the old jewish law, animal sacrifices were necessary to placate the wrath of yaweh, to pay the price of sin. Nailing the alleged 'son of god' to a tree was supposed to quell his anger once and for all and 'reconcile' sinful humanity to him. Those who believe will be 'saved', whilst non believers will be 'cast into the flames'.

Stuff liike the offering of bread and wine by Melchisedek are supposed in some way to pre-figure this bloody sacrifice, as is the psychopath abraham's attempt at infanticide.

I don't need to go on...If you think I know little about your religion, then you are incorrect. I personally don't rely on the internet for info, as it is often unreliable.

 

Please stop pretending you know anything whatsoever about what I have and haven't studied. It is trypical of xians to resort to personal insults and attacks when challeneged... it is about the worst concievable way of trying to convince anyone of anything.
Generally, the xians on these boards are an extrememly poor advert for their beliefs.

 

The Bible teaches us that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. And God clearly teaches us that He is here not to take away from our life, but to make our lives more abundant. Everytime I have leaned on God to resolve a serious problem in my life, I can see His handy work. Often from out of the blue problems are resolved in the most unusual ways. God is a revealer of truth, He is a defender in times of trouble, and He is a friend when others abandon you. Most never experience this, because their livers are all about distancing
them selves from God. God has a plan for every life, yet few ever begin to walk that path. Most never realize this opportunity because they are to busy putting themselves first, and God always second if at all.

 

When I was 14 years old I did not know about the prophecies. While I was reading Passages in the Old Testament I could not help but see how a number of the passages spoke of this person to come. Finally one day I ask my dad this question. I said, "dad why do I keep reading these verses in the Old Testament and it seems like they keep talking about Jesus, my dad looked at me and said. Tom, those are the prophecies that God put in there so we could know who Jesus is." I discovered the prophecies long before I even knew the prophecies existed.

And I did that without any Bible code.

 

The book is wrong then - it is that simple. Fear is a negative and extremely debilitating emotion. Descisions made based on fear are usually the wrong ones.

It is only from a calm, and fear free perspective that we can function properly.
If something bad is going to happen - say an accidental injury, do you think that by living in fear of such we make it any less likely to occur?
But fear of injury is natural and has it's place - unlike fear of a supposed god of love who condems most of his creatures to hell.

Fear of death is fear of the unknown - to imagine that by taking on boeard a lot of outmoded beliefs from the 1st century death will cease to be an unknown is simply a way of self calming.

All that's been done is that a group of ancients who knew no better have invented a bogey man in the sky and used it to terrorize the minds of those whom they wished to control.

Before you retort that the bible contains prophecies etc, so does the work of Nostradamus, and many say they see them being fulfilled. Does that mean Nostradamus work is to be regarded as an infallible guide to life? I think not.

 

I have to agree...it is all about personal salvation--a valid spiritual motive, but in the case of many Christians, a very selfish one. Personally, I can't envision an eternity of happiness while knowing that most of the people that I loved and cared about in my one life were roasting at the same time. I guess these Christians just don't care or are brainwashed beyond even beyond what I thought possible.

If evangelical Christians were truly compassionate and fearless, they would inquire into and sharply question the 12th-century beliefs that condemn 95% of the world's sum-total human population to eternal hell, then try to bring others to a state of true spiritual awareness, both philosophical and experiential.

You are right, Skip and Bill...they're out to get theirs, and to hell with everyone else. There's plenty of confirmation for this on the "Rapture Ready" message board and similar websites.

 

And some believed, and maybe still do, that those who are to be saved were predestined to be so anyway - thus in my view making a total mockery of the whole thing. Both St.Augustine and Calvin were attracted by this view. So it has been influential, as they are two very different but highly influential figures in the history of c/anity.

I fully agree that the idea of hell is unacceptable to any intelligent or sensitive person who is prepared to think about what it actually means, and it surprises me in fact that in this day and age, anyone can be so brainwashed as to believe in it. And when those who believe in it proclaim themselves spiritual authorities, it becomes a definite threat.

Mainly these people are delusional in my opinion. Not only do they need some experience of spiritual consciousness, but as a fundamental part of that, they need healing.
Xian views are in my view something which impose an unatural trauma on the whole psyche. It is a fearful and guilt ridden thing in many cases. Fear and guilt are often underlying symptoms of things like anxiety, social dis-function and so on. Turning to christianity is in some cases a kind of prop which people use to avoid facing their real problems and dealing with them appropriately.
Others hit the bottle or hard drugs.

Thus I think a kind of 'de-tox from christianity' programme would be a good thing.

People who have this deep rooted fear and so on may need support in the process of change. They may often need help in even seeing how other world views are possible.

 

Id like to have a discussion about 'fear' in Christianity but I cant until both Skip and BBB can stop and acknowledge they are arguing away from their own premise (among other problems).
Here it is:
You effectively ask 'If Christianity were true and right.... then *therefore X would happen.... which is ridiculous imo.... therefore.... its not true and right".

Seriously, that is what you are doing.
The problem is that it eliminates any way to discuss anything anymore.

What you should be trying to do is stick with your premise and the logical conclusions.
IF Christianity is correct then who cannot be saved?
IF (stick with it) thats the case then who can be and why?
IF they can be where is the case for fear.
And so on.....

In your cases, you are abandoning your own premise willy-nilly or whenever it suits your dance.
Not cool.
Intellecually dishonest too.

Again, IF we suppose Christianity's teachings are correct (which you start asking) then fear is eliminated.
IF we stick to YOUR premise we have no good reason to be going to damnation and better yet we can choose life.

But you have to stick with your own asked-for premise and follow it through or else you are just screwing around here for the purpose of disinformation and confusion.

Let me know if you still need help clearing this up?

 

No need. I had a schizophrenic translate it into english.

http://www.bartleby.com/141/

 

So you agree that if you start a premise - you would follow it through?

Example: If I start by supposing Christianity is what it claims to be.... I should continue following that premise as I go through the conclusions.
Yes?

If you do 'get' that then by all means please inform Skip and BlackBill.
Then we can get somewhere.

 

Hmmm?

I can see now why he spoke to you ... and no one else ...

He can't speak to anyone else because he's all yours. He's your god. He belongs only to you, because he is "campbell34: My God".

Not "the God of Abraham" or "the God of Noah", or even "the God of the Universe", but rather he is "campbell34: My God".

I think your god is really you!

No need in telling me how wrong I am. No need in asking me for proof ... its in writing right here in this thread --> #41 ...

Majjhima Nikaya, The Middle Length Discourses of the Buddha, Mulapariyaya Sutta (The Root of All Things), (eighth paragraph), "He" -- meaning you, or whoever is perceiving this quote -- "He perceives gods as gods. Having perceived gods as gods, he conceives gods, he conceives himself in gods, he conceives himself apart from gods, he conceives gods to be 'mine,' he delights in gods, Why is that? Because he has not fully understood it, I say." ... what is it campbell34 has not understood? ... He has not understood that delight is the root of suffering, and that with being (existence) as condition there is birth, and that for whatever has come to be there is ageing and death.

Oh drats, that means the Buddha did make prophecies ... that for whatever has come to be there is ageing and death ... come to be means come into existence ... and his prophecies are coming true every moment some being comes into existence and passes from existence.

I don't agree with Skip that Jesus was a Buddha, though it hardly matters much if I agree or disagree it would be my own perception of things to do such. I do have belief in (without proof) that Jesus was a Bodhisattva, a being who, with intention, continually travels the rounds of Samsara (the realms of suffering which all living beings exist). After all, he did say he was "coming back", and that's what Bodhisattva's do ... they keep coming back. And Bodhisattva means ... Bodhi (sanskrit: Enlighten, enlightened), Sattva (sanskrit: being). But alas, when they pass from their current realm of existence they always leave their carcass behind ... why carry it around from life to life ... can anyone imagine the number of bodies they would have amassed after several billion eons?

So, not meaning to sound insulting, but it will most likely be taken that way, but you worship yourself Campbell34. No wonder you don't like to be wrong.

All hail the power of Campbell34’s Name! Let angels prostrate fall;
Bring forth the royal diadem, and crown Him Lord of all.
Bring forth the royal diadem, and crown Him Lord of all.
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That's actually not an insult ... rather a testament to the power of Campbell34 to create the world around him. And all the suffering he creates with it ...

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