Christianity and the Ten Commandments

For those too lazy to look it up

11 Wherefore my bowels shall sound like an harp for Moab, and mine inward parts for Kirharesh.

 

from Pslam 22

My heart is like wax, it melts in the midst of my bowels

 

God's a strange motherfucker.

 

hahaha, my bowels just rumbled... lol...

 

Most Christians completely ignore the Fourth Commandment.

Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. Six days shall you labor and do your work but the Seventh day is the Sabbath day of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work, you, nor your children, nor your male or female servants or the foreigners living in your land. For in Six days the Lord made the heavens and the Earth, the sea and all living things and rested on the Seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it Holy."

Sunday is the first day of the week, Saturday is the Seventh day of the week.

 

In addition, I that the Ten Commandments have been manipulated not only by catholics but other protestants-particularly those of a fundamentalist orientation.

With regard to the first two, you are correct in that the catholic church is perhaps the most blatent in violating the first two.

Fundamentalists as well as catholics are notorious for violating the third, which disallows from using the Lord's name in vain. Despite what many theologians believe, this commandment had nothing to do with uttering a profane statement out of frustration or anger! It did have something to do with making a statement or committing and act claiming to act on behalf of the Divine. One example of this would be: "God hates ***** and so do I!"

Most christians misinterpret the fifth commandment-the commandment which every parent loves! What this really meant is that we should take care of our parents and the elderly, particularly when they get old. It was common in ancient times to push old people over a cliff when they became too old and/or feeble.

The seventh commandment forbidding adultery had not so much to do with sexual issues as much as it had to do with the act of betrayal. In fact, you could argue that two of Jesus' disciples commited adultery against him, one by outright betrayal and the other by denial.
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The eighth commandment wasn't specifically talking about theft as much as it was talking about kidnapping. Granted, both are forbidden, but theft was likely covered in the tenth commandment.

 

yeah, and they all totally go out for lunch and stuff. which, since sunday isn't the sabbath, and there's no law against worhipping on sunday, i guess that's okay, so long as they're not working or causing someone to work on saturday. but usually they're shopping and doing chores...

 

Which ten commandments are we talking about here?

There are TWO sets of them in the Bible and they don't agree with each other.

Are they the ones Moses brought down from the mountain, or the ones God told Moses about later?

 

nope. it's communing with the lord in sacred holy fellowship. still, sunday isn't the sabbath anyway.

 

I hate to but in this forum but I would like to mention that Psalms 22 is a Messianic Prophecy...


The Messiah would cry out to God.Psalm 22:1aMatthew 27:46The Messiah would be foresaken by God.Psalm 22:1bMark 15:34The Messiah, anguished, would pray without ceasing.Psalm 22:2Matthew 26:38-39The Messiah would be despised.Psalm 22:6Luke 23:21-23The Messiah would be mocked by people shaking their heads.Psalm 22:7Matthew 27:39Mockers would say of the Messiah, "he trusted God, let him deliver him."Psalm 22:8Matthew 27:41-43The Messiah would be aware of his Father from his youth.Psalm 22:9Luke 2:40The Messiah would be called to God's service from the womb.Psalm 22:10Luke 1:30-33The Messiah would be abandoned by the disciples.Psalm 22:11Mark 14:50The Messiah would be surrounded by evil spirits.Psalm 22:12-13Colossians 2:15The Messiah's heart would burst, flowing with blood & water.Psalm 22:14aJohn 19:34The Messiah would be crucified.Psalm 22:14bMatthew 27:35The Messiah would thirst.Psalm 22:15aJohn 19:28The Messiah would thirst shortly before his death.Psalm 22:15bJohn 19:30The Messiah would be surrounded by Gentiles at his crucifixion.Psalm 22:16aLuke 23:36The Messiah would be surrounded by Jews at his crucifixion.Psalm 22:16bMatthew 27:41-43The Messiah's hands and feet would be pierced.Psalm 22:16cMatthew 27:38None of the Messiah's bones would be broken.Psalm 22:17aJohn 19:32-33People would stare at the Messiah during his crucifixion.Psalm 22:17bLuke 23:35The Messiah's garments would be divided.Psalm 22:18aJohn 19:23-24Lots would be cast for the Messiah's clothes.Psalm 22:18bJohn 19:23-24The Messiah's atonement would enable believers to be his brethren.Psalm 22:22Hebrews 2:10-12

 

So, he cried out to himself, forsook himself, prayed without stopping to himself, trusted himself to bring himself up, called himself to his own service, had himself killed to appease himself to enable himself to allow believers to call themselves his brethren and now he is in Heaven sitting at the right hand of himself, yet he is in the "hearts" of believers himself and will one day call himself back to meet himself and the other two himselves can be with himself forever and ever. Amen.

Hell, makes perfect sense to me.

 

yeah, i think i kinda caught on with that [the prophesy], but the only reason i know that line, and a bit of that psalm, is cause it is [the KJV] is recited for a bit at the end of a Guess Who song

i also found something out today...i think it is in Acts, Paul acctually says something about God using His own blood as sacrifice or something...i cant reccollect where specifically, but i think it was in 20-22 somewhere

 

Um.... why?

Doesn't it bother you that God is a little bit of a murderous sadist??? If the Bible is true, which I don't believe.

 

Oh my, for a second i though you were going to criticize jesus.

 

But the three parts of an egg dont have separate minds and agendas

 

As I have understood Jesus and the Father it is as one who speaks and the word he says. When I say a word, it is I in that word. When it gets to your ear or now in your eye, it is not me, but my word. Yet it would be odd to say it is not me speaking. Well, when we speak about God it is a bit different kind of situation. When God said to the world I love you, he said it as Jesus. It was the spirit who said something in flesh.

When thinking of what Jesus said about God when he lived on earth, it is understood that he came to be in a mans position. He gave upp his godhood (Phil. 2). So if Jesus prayed to his father, it was because he had to pray it as a man. When devil teased Jesus in the wilderness, I understand that there was a true possibility that he forsakes God. What would had happen, I dont know. But I think there was a risk that God looses all humanity and none would have been saved so that the justice and love would both had stayed. So when we read what Jesus said about God, His God, and Father, we have to see in what posotion he had put himself.

But to libertine. Your thoughts sound to me coming from true thinking. I wish I could spend time with you talking but not in net. Too bad it will not happen soon at least. I see the difficulty with the bible, but not with God and Christ. The Holy Spirit made me to understand that my relationship with him is not based on the bible, nor my faith,. It is based on reality that exists without the bible. Bible only tells about that reality. Jesus died on the cross and people get saved and the Holy Spirit by accepting him. There is no bible in that. Bible only tells about what happened and started happen since then and happens still. Every time when I have doubts I just have to pray that God lets me tell the gospel and He lets me see the reality again: people get saved and the Holy Spirit. I think that believing in the Bible has just those problems you have faced, but that there is a solution to that: living the reality of God and Jesus and seeing that Jesus never asked anyone to comprehend some collection of books to come. He asked people to live by the truth and the spirit, and yes, his words are the truth, but the bible as such is not the same.

Well, now I will be burned for this, but then I will say as one believer before while burning "Oh that holy simplicity" or something like that. Now my time ends in the net but I will later raise this subject again. Libertine, I understand you and your feelings and believe you are honest. Just think is the problem with Jesus or with what men have taught about the bible.

 

Sure they do... the shell supports and protects, the white is a good source of protein, and the yellow is delicious! ; )