Christian God theme debunked.

Speaking of the crucifixion story, who actually willingly worships a being who solves its problems by requiring torture and death to remedy a situation? Explain how that works.

Sounds rather like some kind of voodoo thing to me, you know, like killing a chicken and using its blood to cast a spell or to remove one.

There. Debunked!

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This post is in response to another poster who asked me to debunk the biblical idea of a perverted version of God's nature.

Well here you have it. So . . .

 

Okay. The sensational attraction behind the idea is that someone would care enough for miserable pitiful you to give up their life for you. This muddy sentimentality has nothing to with love and everything to do with slanderous verdicts.

It is a sensational gimmick which tricks the mind into the wrong conclusion. You
hear impassioned people crying halleluiah blood of jesus, blood of jesus, thank god jesus is dead!

Our most valuable commodity in life is our time. No greater love has a man than he give of his time for a friend.

 

thedope: "You hear impassioned people crying halleluiah blood of jesus, blood of jesus, thank god jesus is dead!"

Now that I think about it, your observation might well explain why there's been a delay in the second coming.

I hope you will forgive me, because I'm stealing that. And if you don't fogvive me . . . I'm stealing it anyway, as old habits are hard to break. In return, you may one day see it in a book.

 

We share our thoughts.

Perhaps someday I will be a worm.

 

agreed. unfortunately you'll be dismissed as offensive and even banned for suggesting this.

 

I know. All you have to do is ask anyone who believes in the human sacrifice thing their rationale for such a belief, and more often than not, you'll get the "I HATE YOU" response as they run out of the room. Oh well . . .

 

How does Jesus dying on the cross help the world and save people? I've often wondered that myself. To me the image of him being crucified shows the contrasts between judgement and mercy. Conflict and peace. Love and fear. People were murdering him and in response he forgave them. The image of him is like a mirror that shows what is eating away at people. It's the conflict and unforgivness within us that needs to be changed.

 

When I was younger, I took the crucifixion to stand as a testament or example of what man does when offered truth. It was tortured and then hung it up on a cross to die. The authorities must not have thought too much of the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" thing.

 

So, now that we've cleared up the idea that torture and death is a loving god's currency of choice when it come to debt collection, we'll now look at whether or not the idea of Hell has any merit.

 

Just one interpretation of course. Not THE one interpretation :2thumbsup:

 

But back on topic, do you believe in Hell, Happily'? And if so, would you desribe it for everyone?

 

This is the original post to start the thread, I don't see any reference or relation to hell.

Help me understand what you are trying to say.

 

I think you need to look at the thread topic. It's at the top of the page. The christian god is depicted as having make a place of eternal torment known as Hell. If you think that that is not in line with the topic, then you have a narrow view of the subject. So, while I've got you on the horn, do you believe in a place called Hell?

 

Don't want to discuss your belief in Hell? Fine. I guess I wouldn't either. But how about the necessity of torturing someone on a cross to atone for your sins? Do you believe that that's the case?

 

You are going to have to be more specific and not expect people to read your mind. If you want to talk about hell, say so in the thread topic. The forum guidelines says - be specific / explicit about the subject matter within the thread.

Ok, again this was already discussed on a previous thread. Go back to that one, and read my view on the subject. You came here to debunk it, not to hear me repeat things.

I thought you might have more to say on the subject, but I guess not.

 

Here, I'll start us out at the beginning again. The popular christian idea concerning the crucifixion sounds rather like some kind of voodoo thing to me, you know, like killing a chicken and using its blood to cast a spell or to remove one.

If it doesn't seem that way to you, and you have something to offer to help clear up the matter, then let's have it.

 

Very well, then, perhaps someone else.

 

Why do you keep asking the same question? I've already told you my answer.

 

This kind of explains it.
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_lewisatone.html

 

This is good but leaves out the answer. It describes the state of the world before Jesus came. Man was begotten to himself and living in sin. There was no right from wrong.

Why sacrifice an innocent lamb?

Jesus sacrifice served as the first awakening of the senses between right and wrong. For the first time men could understand true innocence.