Christian Church Beats Teen To Death For Sins

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  1. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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  2. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    there is a HUGE difference between some fringe nutbags doing stupid shit and a religion in which the scriptures it is based on promote, encourage and condone such violence.
    Big difference.

    are you really that desperate to stir the shit pot???
     
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  3. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Yeah, when christians do crazy shit they're the "fringe nutbags"....like a thousand years of burning non-christians at the stake, and imprisoning those that said the world was round.

    Nice defense Mr. Holier than thou.
     
  4. Zzap

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    so which religion are you pushing? Atheism?

    Stalin called for an "atheist five year plan" from 1932–1937, led by the LMG, in order to completely eliminate all religious expression in the USSR. It was declared that the concept of God would disappear from the Soviet Union.

    An amoral psychopath and paranoid with a gangster’s mentality, Stalin eliminated anyone and everyone who was a threat to his power – including (and especially) former allies. He had absolutely no regard for the sanctity of human life.

    Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.

    Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.

    In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
     
  5. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I understand deities can be holy and other figures in religion are considered holy as well (saints for instance). But I am not sure why a religious follower on itself is holy at all, or how they objectively can be perceived as holier than someone who's part of a different religion.

    Also: how often does this happen? So how useful is it to connect and project the motive and action in this situation on other christians or christianity as a whole?

    Same with their scriptures or those of the muslims:

    It seems that the bible has those passages as well. There's not that much difference. For example, even though islam has such passages in their scriptures most muslims too are not busy inducing violence on non believers or believers of a different faith. In fact, it seems when ever a christian or muslim commits a nutty deed it is concluded other christians and muslims are potentially just as looney or dangerous, while in reality we can see any kind of person can commit very unfortunate deeds because they have some sort of overly strong conviction in something... Being christian, muslim or atheist for that matter does not say shit.
     
  6. rjhangover

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    Not "pushing" any religion. Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the christians that demonize other religions as "they are the nutbags".

    The "christians" killed more innocent muslims since 2003 in Iraq and Afghanistan than all of the inquisitions and crusades. (the vast majority of the U.S. military are professed christians)

    And the gunslinger POTUS that ordered the invasion was a professed christian, claiming that the Iraq leader was a "nutbag" repsonsible for 9/11 and had yellow cake to build nukes.

    Christians calling muslims the "nutbags" is the pot calling kettle black, and only increases the possibility of Armageddon.
     
  7. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Bottom line is that the core teachings and scripture that Christianity is based on does not promote violence against non-believers. The Old Testament does have such admonishments, but we are talking Christianity here so the OT law isn't applicable, according to the scriptures upon which is is founded.
    Christians who use OT law to justify such acts of violence are ignorant of the religion they are professing.

    Islam does teach violence as an acceptable means of propagating the religion, and still teaches the same today.
    I am not referring to the individual idiots, but rather what the writings these religions are based on teach because that is where they get their motivation and justification.
    Sure there are nutbags of all persuasions, but I'm referring to the teachings themselves, not how specific groups interpret such teachings.
     
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    if you spent more time tuning those drums and less time reading news u might be on tour with kiss /knights in satans service by now
     
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  9. Okiefreak

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    I'm glad you put "Christians" in quotation marks. The group that did the beatings had all the earmarks of a cult. It was a closed group that was not open to outsiders, in contrast to Jesus' Great Commission. "The" Christians did not kill innocent Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan. Members of the American armed forces, including Jews, Atheists and Agnostics, as well as Christians did, under orders from the Bush Administration. Yes, G.W. was a Christian in his personal beliefs, in the sense that he thought of himself as such (and indeed claimed he was guided by God). But it's simplistic to portray the conflict as Christians versus Muslims. Geopolitical considerations, oil and Neocon ideology played much bigger parts (many of the Neocons were Jewish). It's doubtful that religion per se had anything to do with it. Sadaam and the Baath party were secular Muslims. As for Islam, the Qur'an justifies fighting in self defense, when Muslims are attacked (2:190-91). Most Muslims understand this in its historical context. Al Qaeda and ISIS have perverted the faith.
     
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  10. Asmodean

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    It is arguable the violent parts are the core teachings in islam. They seem to be abused like that, just like those passages about violence against heathens were abused and put at the core by christians. It apparently didn't really matter that they were in the OT.
     
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    Christians?

    Better review that claim THE GRAND CHESSBOARD

    I think you have the wrong religion.

    If you blame the wrong religion you ultimately support the war and exponentially growing corruption that you imply you are against.




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    The title of the Post’s book review is “Dr. Strangelove’s Workplace,” which presumably is a reference to the notorious RAND corporation. But I think that we can all agree that the title could just as easily apply to Wohlstetter’s stylish Laurel Canyon home. In fact, as the pieces of this puzzle continue to fall into place, it is beginning to seem as though “Dr. Strangelove’s Workplace” might be a good title for the entire damn canyon. We now know that, in addition to hosting both a secret military/intelligence facility and a call-boy/kiddy-porn operation servicing prominent public figures, Laurel Canyon was also the birthplace and meeting place of what we now know as the ‘neocon’/PNAC crowd, as well as the home base of the guiding light of the Rand corporation.

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    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/pnac-neocons-rand-corporation-new-satanists-charles-manson-and-birth-hippie-drug/




    Roberts explains how the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 removed
    the only check on Washington’s ability to act unilaterally. The United
    States’ position as the sole remaining superpower led to the euphoric
    proclamation of “the end of history” and to Washington’s presumption of
    the victory of “American democratic-capitalism” over all other systems.
    The neoconservatives became entrenched in successive American
    administrations, both Republican and Democratic. Their ideology of US
    global hegemony—the doctrine that no other power will be allowed to
    arise that could constrain US unilateral action—has become a
    foundational premise of US foreign policy
    and has led to reckless
    intervention in Ukraine and an irresponsible assault on Russian national
    interest.


    In pursuit of hegemony, Washington has expanded NATO to Russia’s
    border, instigated “color revolutions” in former constituent parts of the
    Soviet Union, announced a “pivot to Asia” to encircle China, orchestrated
    a coup in Ukraine, demonized Putin, and imposed warlike sanctions
    against Russia. These reckless and irresponsible actions have brought
    back the risk of nuclear war.

    https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/169338-2015-01-09-who-benefits-from-the-neocons-satanic-voodoo-propaganda.htm



    Satanic, anti-Christian evil warmongering neocons, liberal fascists and Zionists have visited upon the world is beginning to haunt America
    http://www.libertariantoday.com/2011/09/satanic-anti-christian-evil.html



    Satanists Now Run The United States
     
  12. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    Well stated...thank you sir.
     
  13. Zzap

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    I basically like this post with the exception that GW is 'advertised' as being a Christian, but thats on paper, true Christians do not engage in homosexual acts much less in caskets.

    People today are in the sales business of selling labels, not truth, that is the case here. Bush's are and always have been hard core nazi satanists.
     
  14. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    From a personal side....I was raised in a Methodist home. I was never beaten, nor was anyone in the church we attended. I was never told to conform, they did not use fear tactics as basis for sermon. As a matter of fact, we were taught love, acceptance and treat one another as you wish to be treated.

    Not all Christians are the same.

    I find the fire and brimstone types was too much for me and any cult like thing is not really Christian, they are hiding behind that label.
     
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  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    'Nazi satanists' seems just another label?
     
  16. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    Westboro Baptist claims to be Christians..I don't find them at all Christ-like and most do not. That is just one cult that uses Christianity as their label. Does not mean all who are Christians follow that church and it's violent, hate filled beliefs.

    Mr hangover...from your threads and what I have read, you seem to have a lot of fear in your life and fear can turn to hate. You seem to hate a lot of things, groups and people but yet you do not know all people. You keep lumping all of those who believe in Christ together and that is just not the case.

    Think about this. I am sure there are many of the Rainbow family that are wonderful, loving people. But....all of us have read enough about the problems some of their gatherings have caused. Now should we assume anyone connected with this lifestyle are bad people because of a few? Do you think some members of this clan could join but with agendas that do not coincide with the group's beliefs? Do you think a charismatic person could go to Rainbow gatherings and pull aside some weaker types to their way of thinking and fracture off?
     
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  17. Zzap

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    you prove its not just a propagandist label by putting all the data in a bucket and sifting out the bell curve. When the remaining shit in the bucket demonstrates a preponderance of evidence that matches the label then the label matches the premise.
     
  18. tikoo

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    Beware - the RainbowNazi !! - so says JohnnyDope , puppet of the banned .
     
  19. Zzap

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    I'll go to the next step and state not all Christians on paper are actually Christians, however its politically convenient, especially in a world of quick-draw media determined definitions. Why think or bother with the process of reason when someone has done for you types.
     
  20. Pieceofmyheart

    Pieceofmyheart Grumpy old bitch HipForums Supporter

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    What are "you types?"
     

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