Children Killing Children

thanks very much odon :2thumbsup: it might take me longer.but i can keep coming back to it til i get it learned.

 

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The title is awesome. It doesn't suggest that you want to talk only about American kids.

 

You Nailed It ...:2thumbsup:



Cheers Glen.

 

true. my title dose'nt suggest anything.it simply is what it is.

 

Is that all that really necessary nowadays, something we were trained to do in school, souce a report. But users on the web, pretty simple nowadays just to put something like murder rate by country, age into google to be a few clicks away from the fbi site, wikipaedia (which has all he links) or unicef. And if they really want to know, its going to be more believable if hey find the info themselves and judge which site is more accurate.


Then even if you provide all the stats, people are just going to believe what they want to believe anyway, or go by what pops up most from their news sources, that is what they see.

Or what they see that may be collectively more shocking like Sandy hook that may get more media attention, and the US gets more media attenion generally. Opinions are formed that way, even hough the number of kids dying in that same year in that same country from other reasons far out weighs school shootings.

This is how many of these urban myths or mistruths come to be.

US homicide data for 2012 by age, race and sex

From CDC 1570 child deaths in 2011 in the US due to abuse or neglect vs from the FBI 563 people under 18 killed by firearms in 2012

That is 3 times more as a result of parents/supposed guardians without guns............ than family members/people they know with guns and a small amount of random whack jobs with guns combined.

 

unfourtunately yes, there are a lot of gullible people out there who will believe anything they source from web links.its a bit of both.true facts and false facts.but anyone already armed with a true factual education on such matters will just be able ta use their common sense in diciphering which is which.if you don't trust the source ,then it would be simply common sense not to trust the info.i think any school that would train and educate children in the fashion you describe i.e.source a link.would not be part of a good and solid educational system.thanks for the link.but what i was refering to was what you were saying in your first post about a comparison.just thought it would be interesting to see a comparison table.

 

I'm not remotely surprised that these mass killings occur. I've seen kids do stuff to each other, and teachers do stuff to kids that would mean jail times it was just between adults. But in school, it was considered "normal".

Schools can be just a form of legalised anarchy. I've spoken to people who've served time in jail, and they say the similarities between the 2 are gigantic. The only difference is, you "choose" that you want to go to jail..

China has its own equivalent, which is the slave labour of modern factories. Mass killings occur with knives and stuff, instead of guns.

My school time was pretty normal. Fun times and boring ones. But I never met someone who agreed with the phrase "school days are the best days of your life"...

 

what did you see them do iam ?

 

The question is, do the drugs cause their behaviour, or is it just that people with the mental health problems that make them more likely to do this sort of thing are also likely to be on these drugs?

Or maybe it's a situation of someone with mental health issues being treated with the wrong medications and it makes their issues worse?

 

Generally beating each other up. Some assaults by teachers on kids. Teachers perpetually bullying some kids. Knives were brought to school, altho this wasn't a (cough) "big" problem. Robbing each other. I beat a few up who I caught bullying others. Then there was the natural cliqueiness and the constant "I'm the coolest" routine which I suppose some found the worst. But is ofcourse not illegal in any way.

In adult life, people can change job/town/ their whole life at the drop of a hat. In school they're locked into it for 13/14 yrs

Generally it was just like "who ran the landing" in a prison. Pecking orders, alliances, all that. Except in prison everyone would be locked up over 23 hrs a day.

 

Lack of control of children by parents. Lack of control by parents in their OWN lives, making unhappy adults, which in turn makes for unhappy children. If a kid is a bully--he most likely learned it by observation of his/her own home life. The parents of a bully probably haven't a clue that their kid is bullying others. If a kid is being bullied continually, his/her parents should be close enough to them to find out about it and remedy it.

Also, "trickle down" disappointment with their current lot in society turns adults into care takers instead of parents, and thus have little or no control in the parenting process until their kid goes over the deep end.

 

My little grand daughter says --" there are no bullies at our school". How do I know? Because I've asked her a few times this year and every one of her school years.

My son was bullied by an older kid once. I repeat --ONCE. Not exactly proud of how I fixed it--let's just say that EVERY member of the bullys family knew exactly who I was.

 

Countries with higher levels of income inequality tend to experience higher levels of school bullying.

 

no that would'nt be illegal,but bullying is illegal and incitement.both criminal offences.its very sad though when its all children.as the child thats doing the bullying is obviously seriously emotionallly disturbed and the victims an survivers of it are the innocent affected by it.so to get to the real root of it,maybe to focus on why are bullys and what can be done to help change those behaviours.which will lead to less bullying in the first place.but i do agree you did right in your defense of the person being bullied.it may have helped ta deter them.:2thumbsup:

 

well you could have saved us both time aery by simply clicking on the quote button on my post question to you.and simply replying on that.but not ta worry i understand it loud and clear now.basically you were suggesting i change the first line of my post introduction. why would i do that ?when i was talking about what i had intended talking about ? anyway,just so you know there will be no change there.now we're all clear on that too.

 

ya parents are childrens greatest examples.another problem can be where parents do know their children are bullying,but instead of addressing it with them ,the parents deny also that child is a bully even when they do know.they think thats loving them but its not,its just enabling them ta continue to do it.love would be wanting their kid the be the best person they can be.but i'd say it's true what you say that an awful lot of parents have no idea their kids are bullying other kids and if they are bullys themselves probably would'nt care anyway.as the old saying goes charity starts at home.

 

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whatever you did, you should be proud of it. I think a big problem with bullying is lack of parental or familial involvement. In an ideal world every child that is bullied should be able to tell their parents, who should then nip it in the bud by whatever means possible . unfortunately a lot of kids don't have parents or family with that level of involvement.

 

I can thank my old man for that stuff too, similar to what Scratcho said. Growing up I lived in a middle class neighborhood but it backed up to the hood, separated by woods and a creek. Known gang territory. I was back there playing by the creek and some much older than me black kids came up and threw me in it and stole my bike. My mom called the cops and they did nothing, they were like 'oh.. that neighborhood. Well we will keep our eye out.' My dad got home from work and was like what the fuck, got in his cutlass and drove off. Came back in less than 30 min with my bike sticking out of the trunk, and the kids name and address.

One time someone bullied my sister, he told me to go take care of it and not come home until I did. Which I did. Could be dangerous these days and then too, but at least he didn't let me be a pussy that just built up anger to the point of harming innocent people. He taught me to never take shit, but never swing first.