Child Molesters

I'm getting the impression you don't like me.

And I refuse to get over myself.

 

i couldn;t agree with you more sir even if i wanted to

 

Ooooh... complex subject... i also think that the poll is just too simple given the complexities... besides, it doesn't matter whether i think they should feel guilty or not. Fact is, some do, some don't. Whatever it is they feel about their behaviour, they should definitely be kept away from children for the rest of their natural lives because the risk to children is too great to take any chances... this does not mean to say that i don't think that some sex offenders, whether paedophiles or rapists of adults, should be given the opportunity to forgive themselves and move on, but neither do i think that their names should be removed from a sex offenders list because even if they do feel guilty, that doesn't necessarily mean that they will not be able to help themselves if left alone with a child... they are sick and need help, just as the victims need help to move on with their lives too...

Emotionally and biologically, children are incapable of being able to deal with exploitative sexual relationships - christ, they don't even realise that they are being exploited, they just feel weird and disassociate from their own bodies... if you truely love children, you wouldn't put them through this! How anyone can think this is natural and loving, is beyond me! Consenting sex is natural, for sure, but children are vulnerable to predatory behaviour, and are incapable of consenting to something that they don't fully comprehend.

However, this climate of hatred for offenders does not help the situation at all. Understandable ofcourse, and believe me, i've been there, but it is far less likely that paedophiles/rapists (whether potential or actual) will come forward to get help for their dysfunctional behaviour in this current hateful-mindset scenario. Punishment is unhelpful. These people are sick and DERANGED and need help urgently! Currently, they are imprisoned for too short amount of time and then released without further ado... DANGEROUS and IRRESPONSIBLE!!!

Ofcourse there are many "types" of child-molesters and in some cases i am sure that they should try to forgive themselves and move on. However, they should always be kept away from children, FULL STOP!

I think it is a good idea for adults responsible for children to know if there are child-molesters, who they are and where they are, so they can keep those children safe from harm. But, i also think it is wrong and unhelpful to victimize paedophiles and/or rapists... leniency should however be given to victims of sexual crimes, should they strike out at their molesters...

We need a more open and loving arena if we want to even begin to try solve this horrendous state of affairs, but unfortunately, we live in societies that are built on exploitative behaviours and until that changes, open and loving arenas will remain unobtainable...

Lastly, i believe there should be different types of registers for sex offenders... one for rapists of adults, one for paedophiles and one for people who pee outside (ridiculous that they should even be put in the same category as serious sex offenders).

 

may not be a big deal to you, but to them it's a big deal...

 

anyone who would joke aorund about that. either has a twisted sense of humour or is just twisted.

 

my therapist told me yesterday that no matter how much I worked on her workbooks, took the meds, etc etc I will be thinking about being molested and be dealing with it for the rest of my life. So why should the perps get to stop thinking about it and dealing with it?
And why the hell aren't my relatives who molested still on those lists? Kids are considered too expendable I guess.
The mormons taught that you were better dead than defiled...sigh damn doesn't that make me feel better!

 

A little bit a A. a little bit of B.

 

'so now thjat we have that clarified. have you updated your sex offender status lately?

 

they do deal wih it for the rest of their lives, but they might not necessarily feel guilty about it... that's just a sad fact... unfortunatley, the impression i get is that the press use sensationalism to sell their stories, and in this global political climate, sensationalism is used as a distraction technique and as a creator of fear and disempowerment... the powers that be like it that way... in their eyes, we are ALL expendable!

If Mormons believe that, then i am just glad i am not a religious person, more specifically, a Mormon!... i certainly don't believe it is better to be dead than defiled... i am so sorry that you are left struggling with all these feelings Delfynasa... you are not alone :grouphug:

 

This may sound good, but the problem is applying it after someone does these things.

Up until they make that choice to harm a child (and make no mistake, it is a choice they make to take action), yes, being more open and loving could help them make a better decision.

Once they have made a bad choice and taken action however, they should be killed, or otherwise removed 100% from society.

 

Should a murderer stop feeling guilty? I can't say. Maybe. Maybe not. But the quiz is automatically screwed up. I don't anyone JUSTIFIES molesting children. I could see a pedophile (who has not molested anyone) justify his urges by saying it is how he/she "feels", but the act of rape or molestation is an ACT against someone - in the case, a child. So, no. I don't know anyone who would say "I justify molesting kids."

That's just ridiculous.

But as for sexuality and the enlongation of juvenility in this culture, I recommend reading Foucault.

 

i get what you are saying ChronicTom, but surely that "choice" you say they make is from a sick mind? some of them feel compelled to do it.... even if they don't want to, sometimes they just can't help themselves and sometimes they don't even see it as wrong... they think it is natural.

we are supposedly an advanced civilization, so ask yourself, why has NOTHING of any consequence been done (as far as i have seen in my 47 years on this planet) to bring us more of a comprehensive understanding... understanding sex crimes, and the consequences for the victims/victims families of these crimes, seems to be the last on the list to get real research... i suppose the greedy corporations are too busy making money for themselves and the politicians are too busy lying to us all and taking their backhanders, and both of these powerful institutions are too busy war-mongering to give a fuck about domestic/social issues.... besides, many paedophiles thrive from within these very institutions anyway, but they've the money and/or connections to hush it all up.... They probably already understand only too well, but like it like that!...

so... it is left to the media to whip US all into a frenzy and to pick off the ones we CAN get our hands on... "Pedo Pete who lives across the street... who's name's on this list... think i'll get pissed, and KILL THE MOTHERFUCKER!!!" scenario...

"monkey killin' monkey"... am i making sense? hope so!

 

Ok, so what is child molesting? Is Statutory Rape? Does that count? Is everyone's great granddaddy a molester because he married and screwed grandma when she was 14 and they had 20 kids? If so, let's make the law retroactive and see how many grandpas end up in prison.

Truth is MORALITY is relative in this case. OR 9/10ths of old men should be locked up.

Now if a 40 y.o. man sodomizes a 9 y.o. ... THEN you have a straight case of child rape, but smacking some 14 y.o.'s ass is not worse than locking the offender up for 15 years, sorry.

One problem is that we have elongated juvenility. Plain and simple. When I was 14, I'd have loved to screw my teacher. We - boys - used to joke about getting "sexually mistreated" by her. Ha ha ...

Now, I know plenty of people who have been sexually mistreated and it's not funny - it's terrible, but the majority of the cases I've seen are statutory rape (which is bullshit). Those adults who attack prepubescent children should definitely be punished.

Meanwhile, I think the age of consent changed with the culture. You could be 14 and work on a farm. Hard to get "a job" and take care of yourself now. So, it's a lot of it is cultural convenience, I think.

I was sexually active early in life and I don't consider it a bad thing, but then again ... I was mature for my age. That's my two cents.

I probably have two more cents somewhere around here.

 

I agree that where the line is drawn is not based in reality, however, the line has to be drawn somewhere, and it has been. If someone steps over that line, regardless of whether it is an inch or a mile, they are making the choice to step over it.

As for them being a sick mind and blah fucking blah.... I DONT CARE WHY they do it... it is 100% irrelevant to the question of protecting children from them. You do it once, we put a bullet in your head and never worry that you will do it again...

But if you do wish to look at the root of the problem and where to fix it. It is ALL from the fact that society tries to repress sex and has demonized it for generations as a means to control.

Look to the long standing main stream religious teachings for the source of that repression.

When sex between consenting adults is dealt with openly and as a natural thing regardless of what the specifics of the situation is, and kids aren't taught that their genitals are 'dirty parts' or that they shouldn't talk about issues surrounding them in 'polite' society, you will then see a majority of the sexual predators of ALL types dwindle.

 

yes i agree that we have elongated juvenility... and each case should be looked at in it's entirety and on it's own merits... there are many grey areas... why is the law so slow to adjust? backward thinking for sure... i think that even if i hadn't been abused as a young child, i would probably still have chosen to be sexually active at about 14 or 15... biologically, it is unhealthy for a girl to give birth before she is 15 or so, but even that can vary, depending on the maturity of her body, the width of her hips etc... then there's his/her emotional maturity... maybe it should be for each individual and maybe their families, to decide for themselves when exactly they are ready.... in some tribes, i believe they wear something to show that they are ready... there should certainly be more open dialogue regarding these issues, but so many kids today just don't want to talk about that kind of stuff with their parents/elders/designated responsible person... it is sad that our societies are so fragmented...

 

Actually, that is another one of the problems we have in our societies today. There is no concrete transition from child to adult.

Although certain cultures choices along those lines may seem odd and primitive to us, they provide a definite line in a person life to mark that passing.

We have nothing but a bunch of vague benchmarks running from 14 up to 21 depending on whether the issue is sex, driving, drinking or getting killed for your country.

 

i don't think it is irrelevant why they do it.... understanding something goes a long way to being able to deal with it better so that we can read signs maybe and be better equipped to protect our children...

 

You want to know why they did it, look into their past... They don't need to be alive to do that. They are predators on our children's innocence and very lives... once we know someone is capable of doing it, we make sure they never get the chance to do so again.

The cheapest, simplest and most sure solution to that, is a bullet.

 

i'm talking prevention here... understanding more about it, so signs can be read BEFORE something happens... if they're dead, they can't say anything to enlighten us... also, i don't believe in the death penalty so we may have to agree to disagree on that point....

 

i hope you are just being a smartass when you say that