Characteristics of God? What do you see GOD as?

Varuna: I'm glad for you, thanks for sharing, keep smiling at doubts

"God transcends all definitions of God, so, God cannot be defined. "
I like that

BlackguardXIII: "The eye with which we see God is the same eye with which God sees us." Meister Eickert
I find this cool
But God is outside or inside?

You are no more at the top of the mountain?

Peace

 

Everything

 

stupid repost ?!?


I am sorry about that

 

I see god as a product of our logic. To percieve everything we have to seperate it into different parts (the something and the not something, the everything and the nothing).. to understand both everything and nothing, to begin to see all without seperation, we have the concept of god.

On a side note - Faith in logic can blind people just as much as faith in anything can.

 

I am living proof of this. Logic hamstrung me most of my life. I was told in grade six that I was a genius, and so I ran with that. When my heart and head disagreed, I always went with my head.........
After a few hundres times of getting burned, I put two and two together at the young age of 39, and reversed that policy. Best thing I ever did. I am now much more confident, because this new way is so much more successful. I have yet to be burned using it. Damn logic.

 

i'm a bit curious as to what you immagine opposing logic to have done for you

and if you believe in a god, and that god gave you logic, ...

isn't this a bit like saying nothing works at all unless it works perfectly and does everything?

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There are many things, and experiences, and facets of reality and good, wise things to know, that are not ruled by logic. They are not necessarily illogical, they are not incompatible with logic, but they are, essentially, more than merely logical.

These are good things that make a good life livable, but they cannot be truly measured, known and realized by simply mapping the accuracy of one's thoughts about them.

Think of your favorite person, or your favorite music, or book, or movie, or community or whatever it is that most consistently offers you real inspiration. Now, explain, logically, why you love your favorites. You probably can't do it, and even if you can, even if you are really good at describing what it is, there is always something vital left unattended by your definition.

This dimension of reality is best described as spiritual. It is best described spiritually. I believe what Blackguard refers to is this intuitive experience, this awareness, this consciousness of that reality. It may be somewhat overwhelming when you first experience it. But all of this, somehow, mysteriously, changes for the better when you make an effort to improve your relationship with this reality. When you make a sincere effort to live a good life within this reality, you may be surprised at how good life can be . . . far better, it seems, than many imagine.

It's simple, really.

Peace and Love

 

I don't believe in a God. I believe in life after death, the power of prayer, miracles, and spirit guides, but that is almost completely because of the logic defying things I have seen in my life. Since as long as I can recall the majority of the times that I had a strong gut feeling, instinct, or my heart told me to do one thing, and my analytical brain concluded that it was far preferable to do the other, things turned out badly. This is not logical, and so I am afraid I can't explain why following my heart, or instincts etc. is more successful. I just know that anyone who has done the same can attest to the same. My brain is pretty sharp, according to the education system here I am in the top 2 percentile. This is likely why I went with it for so long, despite the miserable record. What has it done for me? I am happy.

 

'you may be surprised at how good life can be . . . far better, it seems, than many imagine.' Varuna

Yes, thank you Varuna. For me it was exactly that. To give an example, if I could have been given a carte blanche, and got to live my fantasy, and then I consciously put everything I had into designing the ultimate outcome...
it would not have been as good.

 

you are all assuming there is One God, some sort of Absolute Objective Truth-maker. (ETA - except you, BlackGuard, and I get what you are saying, and I agree with you) That is a mistake made from your particular religious upbringing or just the overall Christian influence in our society, coloring other people's Gods with your idea of what God is. You have been told over and over and over again that there is only one God. Start questioning that belief first. Why do you believe there is only one God? Just because that is what everyone else believes? because that is what everyone always told you to believe? Do you have any real reason to believe such is the case? And to think that your God is the same as everyone else's God, just because they also have been told to believe there is only One God is another mistaken belief, bordering on ethnocentrism. Your God is not My God. My God is noone's but my own. We all invent our own version of God, and no two person's ideas of God can ever agree 100% (except of course, for those poor souls who never do any thinking for themselves). And even if I could find words to describe my idea of God, the words themselves would make what I say a falsehood, by virtue of the fact that the words in my language can never adequately express certain ideas.

 

I agree with you on some points. The christian belief is drilled into our heads from an early age because of its closely-knit relationship with western society, and it's obvious that it does skew our beliefs quite a bit (for example, everyone's heard of heaven and hell).. but I wouldn't say it's either a purely christian belief, wrong, or a mistake to believe in only one god. Like you say, no-one's god/gods are 100% the same, that's what this thread is about.. and a lot of the time people use the word God as a metaphor, it's a concept that is pretty universal whether or not you subscribe yourself to a specific religion.

I believe in one 'god', because my belief is that the nature of reality is skewed by our logic (which has it's flaws, like paradoxes). I believe that there is truly only everything, not the somethings we see, and that everything (which we are all part of) is what I call god. I think most peoples idea of 'the one god' is rooted around that concept. So I wouldn't say that people only 'assume' there is only one god, the christian one, I would hope that most people put more thought into their beliefs than that.

 

god is a myth

 

so?
Humans invented automobiles and television, too, does that make them any less real?

 

well enough, and i appologise for having misread you. yet i don't see this as an argument in favor of throwing all logic out with the bathwater, which is how i misread what you were saying.

to me this looks more like recognizing that all things that work do so better in combination then alone. there really is no such thing as logic based solely on logic. every logical construct must begin at some point with speculation and assumption. that or observation. and there is nothing illogical in your observation of how your gut feelings serve you better then "logic" based on the words, books, or arbitrary assumptions of others, even their 'illogical' beliefs.

i was certainly not meaning to imply that logic stands well on its own. far to the contrary, on its own logic doesn't stand at all.

you have objectively avoided deceiving yourself. this is not, as your words at first seemed to imply, a contradiction of true logic at all. i suspect you have somehow been deceived as to what logic really is. or perhapse we are each speaking of it in narrow terms that like skew lines in space, entirely miss each other.

i do believe there is a great deal about which no one knows anything and that there is indeed, what for lack of better tems, i would call spiritness, also to avoid confusing it with the claims and perceptions of organised belief.

it may well even be that we all have nontangable friends.
i am if anything almost certain that we do.
only not that they begin and end, again with what any dominant organized belief as far as i know of claims them to.

we all have conectednessess with all of the rest of existence.
i also like what you said about a heavin without a god
or at least not in and of itself dominated by one or several
this also coinincides with what feels right to me as well.

not that there can't be or isn't anything, but rather that nothing has to begin and end with what anyone thinks they know about it in order to exist.

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exactly! Humans have invented the myth of god, though few care to realize that fact. What is the significance? There are good myths and bad myths and though I would prefer a good myth to some mechanical (automobiles, television?)or dualistic interpretations of experience, it is still a myth in the final analysis. Better to admit the delusionary nature of the myth and seek to understand without the excess baggage, so to speak.