Celtic Wicca, now come on

Then you have your wires crossed, because those exact same crosses
were used far before Jesus was even a concept. But fortunatly they
adapt easily for the new purpose.

Sorry man, but you have to find some validity elsewhere.

Maybe Thors hammer is really a Christian cross.

 

How exactly is it a Christian cross if it pre-dates Christianity?!

 

Christians adapted an already existing pagan "cross", which was actually more of a wheel, but make the bottom line longer, and hey its a cross.

 

I think its cute how you keep pretending like the term 'Celtic Cross' would refer to pre-Christian ones.
Well I didnt specify did I hmm?
Meanwhile every non-retarded person on Earth knows that if you walked into any museum and asked for one - you be shown Christian ones.

But hey.. keep it up.

 

So what you're saying is that you have problems with non-Christians and retarded people.

How wonderfully narrow-minded and common of you. Jerry Falwell must be so proud.

 

I think its retarded that you refuse to accept that your faith is one
of theivery and plagiarism. Not even your saviours story is original.

 

Ok.. since you have been just itching to get into this crapfest.. lets hear your fake allegations of 'thievery' and 'plagiarism'.
I cant wait.

btw.. let me just refute your first insinuation first - Pagans who converted to Christianity (and that pretty much ALL of the Celts) have all the right in the world to take whatever artwork and symbols and remake them to stand for anything they so choose.
They can even put the 'Sun' BEHIND the CROSS to make their point and there is zero wrong, thieving or plagiarising about it.

So lets hear your next fake story about the Gospels being a rip-off of some crap myth or something?

 

No, at least Roman Catholics have roman roots.

Erasmus, there isnt a sun behind the cross to make
some hidden point, that circle had been on that
cross for a long time before, it wasnt some
Christian "Ah-ha!" that they thought would be
cute to poke at the sun.

Whatever makes you feel better though, with your
Mythric knock off of a religion that took everything
from how many diciples your savior had all the way to
when his birthday would be, from other religions.

Your gospels arent even written by the men in
their titles. They are bullshit stories made to make
a possibly non-existant man sound like a god through
cross reference of older scriptures.

Even Paul, your great founder was a liar. He was a
Jewish Rabbi sent to get rid of the "Christian Problem" for
the Jews and make it a Gentile problem instead.

Take your cross, and your savior too, and stick em up
your ass.

 

You forgot to add that the apostle Paul was OK when his name was Saul. It was when he changed his name that he went bad. Kind of like most men running from the law. Everything was going along great until he met the ghost of Jesus on the road to Damascus (which in and of itself sounds like a fairy tale. Do you see ghosts Erasmus?).

I think the point Heron was making, you ignorant trashy little troll, was that the New Testament wasn't written by the men that Christianity purports (outside of perhaps Matthew, Mark, Luke and John but even then, it was 325 years AFTER the crucifixion). You sheep believe that it is the word of God when in fact the final draft was the work of 1000 clerics appointed by Constantine, the self-appointed first pope and Emporer of Rome (AKA the Second Reich). Kind of like if I put 1000 VW drivers in a room and asked them to write a repair manual on a Jetta. IT WON'T WORK. No one here cares what you believe.

So go away, huh?

 

Haha, closed minded at its best! Dont you see it! This is the beauty of Christianity! I'm right your wrong, my God will beat up your Gods!

Makes me sick.

 

Yes it is behind the Cross for a reason.
Next crap...

Whahhaha... Please not the 'Mythros' Hoax Email and you took it seriously.
You cant accept a well investigated history of the Gospels but you took a stupid Hoax about Mythros being Jesus at face value and didnt even question it. Nice going.

Actually they are.
At the very least - you have no good reason to think otherwise.

Jeepers.. not even the most dedicated antichristians even bother trying to suppose Jesus was anything but an actual historical figure (Diety aside).
I see that got a 'second hurrah' on the internet though.
People like you probably buy that.

Once again, no reason for you to say this other than your imagination working overtime on some conspiracy theory.
Saul was indeed a 'Hitman' (more or less) and he converted to Christianity.
Nowhere does he turn his back on Judaism and in fact goes out of his way to associate Christ with Judaism over and over.
Even though he was also a Roman citizen and educated along those lines.

Yes, I already realise its Christ you hate and not me.
The only problem here - I might be a total jackass but Jesus didn't do anything but live and die for you.

Zoomie - I would reply to your crap but its so stupid and even hysterical that its easier to just say your entire post = pure garbage.
Well done.
It was 100% crap.
1.000 Scribes wrote it LMFAO!.. Is that from your 'Davinci Code' book or what?

 

Edit: I deleted this post after reading more of your work. You, sir, are a false Christian. You are a racist, a sexist, a homophobe and a hate monger. A troll of the first caliber. Let me welcome you to a little place I lovingly call my ignore list. I'm sure you're on several others already. I really do pity you your ignorance.

 

Now dont go teasing me.. if you are going to promise to put me on ignore list then please do it for real.
Believe me we have a deal on this one.

 

Maybe you could send me that email. I haven't seen it. Could be cool. I have these things called books, and they contain knowledge, and when I read them, I learn stuff!

Its cool, you should try it.

Oh wait, you have a book, but just that one.

Piss off.

 

Hey Heron the Hysterical... Tried twice now to reply to this thread but it keeps trying to prevent the truth from getting out here.

As I said.. I cant seem to find the original hoax email anywhere but it went something like this:

"Does this sound Familiar.. he was called the 'Son of God, was born Dec 25 to a Virgin, was Resurrected after three days.. turned Pirates into lions who were then eaten by sharks.."

Ok.. they dont mention the 99.9% of the UNsimilarities but basically it was a combination of a trick and a hoax.
The 'trick' being that there are SHITLOADS of 'Mithras' tales, legends and stories, many of which are just interpreted by looking at wall carvings even.
So not surprisingly you can find somewhere in some story in some era where Mithras rode a donkey.
Wow!
Jesus once rode a Donkey!!!!

The Hoax part was simply that - people were obviously adding 'similarities' that werent even anything to do with Mithras.

The other bullshit of the whole thing is that real experts on the whole 'mystery cult' subject are well aware the these groups were NOTORIOUS for 'borrowing' from everyone around them.
Since most of the 'amazing similarities' are based on Mithras (or Dionysis) stories or statues or carvings dating AFTER Christianity then its not exactly hard to put 'who copied what from who' together.

Usually these 'books' like the ridiculous 'Jesus Mysteries' somehow forget to mention these little details.

By the by... Christianity doesnt just pop up with some sort of crazy new business anyways.
It already is 'getting its stuff' from the OT.
Now start thinking about that for a minute because we do know that Jews already have these concepts of a Messiah and they are notorious for NOT borrowing or sharing their theology (and thats and understatement even) and around them you ALSO find stories of 'Savior Messiahs' and these sorts of themes.
Well then here again you have more reason to believe its the Persian mystery cults doing the 'borrowing' if anyone is.
But like I say.. Christians had zero need or interest to be borrowing anything when they were plenty happy with their Old Testament in the first place.
Anywaysssss

Since almost everyone pulled their original 'Mithras Hoax' articles and Google Searches are now replace with the Dan Brown 'Davinci Code' version or the Hoax - I might as well supply that one instead.
(with the movie coming out it will be the big new thing anyways)
....

The pre-Christian God Mithras – called the Son of God and the Light of the World – was born on December 25, died, was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days.

Not surprisingly, scholars of Mithraism know nothing of any of this. Let’s look at the claims one at a time:
He was called the Son of God and the Light of the World. This is simply false. I have previously surveyed Mithraic studies literature and neither of these titles is noted by Mithraic scholars.

He was born on December 25. This may be true, but it is of no relevance, for the New Testament does not associate Dec. 25th with Jesus’ birth at all. When the Christian Church chose December 25 as the birthday celebration for Jesus Christ, they did so in direct opposition to the pagan mid-winter festival of Saturnalia, not because they believed Jesus was born, like the pagan god(s), on that date.

He died,and was buried in a rock tomb, and then resurrected in three days. This is simply false. The Mithraic scholar Richard Gordon says plainly that there is “no death of Mithras[21] – which means, there can be no burial of Mithras, and no resurrection of Mithras, either.


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Anyways.. like I was saying there is shitloads of stuff Mithras did and none of it is anything like Jesus.
For example - Mithras SLAUGHTERED MASS ENEMIES or Could turn people into animals with his touch or had Superhuman strength and this kind of business.
Like I say.. there are 999 things totally UNlike Jesus and no surprise you could pick through a thousand and find 1 that was.

Only someone like you would just swallow crap like the Mithras Hoax without even questioning it but CANT seem to grasp the Gospels as real accounts no matter how much evidence you see or hear.

 

Oddly, the Mithra facts that you mention, aside from the birthday, are ones I havent heard. Guess you were an idiot to assume that is where I read it.

Go figure.

I do have my doubts of the Mithric ties from time to time, since the
connection to the Roman Mithra and the middle eastern Mithra doesnt
seem to be a perfect lineage.

But honestly, the validity, or non-validity, of christianity means little
to me, i couldn't care less.

For an added notice, keep your Jesus shit out of these threads,
this isnt the place for them, and this has gotten far off topic.

 

Go figure.. that is not where I assumed you read it.
Actually I assumed you got it from either the hoax email (or its posting in articles) and even more specifically from reading a book called 'The Jesus Mysteries'.

The example I gave you was the latest one and its the new one you will probably be hearng since its based on the fiction novel (and upcoming movie) The Davinci Code.

Nice of me to alert you on crap you would probably accept as eagerly as the last hoax you enjoyed so much.

I agree. The Roman Mithras (and actually his variations all over the map) dont seem to have much cohesion between eras or regions.
The fun thing about these Mystery Cults (as they are dubbed) is that they seem to enjoy that.
I mean.. its as if they really took pride in being made up of whatever they found or could do with it.
This is not an exact comparison (or is it?) but these guys remind me of modern 'mystery cults' like The Masons in that its .. how do I say it.. they enjoy taking religious icons and instruments and titles and use them as a sort of 'play on religion' more than 'actually believing' they are 'actually worshipping Osiris' or 'actually invoking real Templar Knights revelation' with the symbols, items and rituals.

Thats sad.
Seriously, that very sad and that says alot about the value of your belief system which couldnt care less if something is valid or invalid.

I dont know what kind of antispeech two-faced hypocrite you think you are but this is a free speech forum and this topic is entirely and totally relevant to Paganism anyways.
Not only that but you have no problems (and have never been forbidden) from hopping into Christianity Forum and leveling all sorts of denunciations, insults and stupid opinions (and the occasional good point by some accident) and I dont doubt for a second if you were 'told to stop posting ideas' that you would agree with that.

ps: Seriously dude.. you gotta lose some weight there, thats not an insult but from a former beergut guy to another - that thing is outta control.
Think about your health man.

 

Are you refering to my photo in my sig?

idiot.

 

Brother Heron, if you can't stop baiting the crazy Jesus people could you at least stop quoting the ones I have blocked? Nothing they have to say is in the least bit truthful, insightful, interesting or entertaining. Unless of course, one of them suddenly screams, "Help me, I'm drowning!".

In which case I'll bring the Bushmills and Guinness and you bring the popcorn.

Or haggis, I'm not picky.

 

Sorry mate, good call. How about I just ignore em too.