Celibacy

OK.

It's good to love what is if what is is loveable.
Trouble is, a lot of very non-loving stuff goes down in this world - that is, according to my awareness.

Anyway, it may be that our awareness can expand to become aware of more of what is. On the essential as well as the manifest level. Inner and outer.
Infinities? Infinity.

 

hehe. Well things happen as they happen don't they? Then we choose what stories we tell about it. (there's that word again: choose ). If we get a flat tire we can rant & rave but it won't change the fact that we have a flat tire. And ranting about it will just make it that much harder, wear out our energy, etc.

We may rant anyway, often do. But it's kinda funny to observe yourself doing it. Like... there I go again, getting pissed off at what I can't change.

The other day my daughter was trying to change the channel on the TV and the remote wasn't working well (low battery or something). So she got mad and was mouthing off about it. And I handed her the remote and told her to yell at it. She just looked at me and stopped in her tracks. It seemed funny. Then I went & stood by a chair and started yelling at it to move. She got a kick out of that. I told her that's what we do a lot. We have our little tantrums about what is. If it already is that, we might as well save our energy, no? But... not everyone is able to access that "choice" as yet.

Yep, and if we can do something, great. But it's much more empowering and effective when our actions arise out of peace and harmony within. When first we're centered, not resisting the way it is, and then we take whatever action we can, from a place of strength. Fighting and resistance (internally) is debilitating.

Yes, it seems to be happening.

 

I agree with much of what you're saying.

The thing is in my view anyway that a lot of the little tantrums and so on are something we can get away from if we can actually become peaceful inside.
If I see some outrage on the tv news, I know it won't help if that puts me into a negative state of anger, depression or even ill will towards the perpetrators (assuming there are any).

I know that one thing which has helped me a huge amount is trying to satand back from my own feelings, thoughts and reactions when I obsereve they're getting control. Sometimes I get angry, but its only ever a momentary thing these days which generally lasts only a few seconds.

I don't think imbalances ,which in effect account for most of our problems, can ever really be solved by further imbalanced action. I entirely agree that actions which arise from harmony within are always the best actions.

On the topic of this thread, celibacy, I'd say that to fight with oneself over this would be ridiculous, and an energy drain. It would inevitably affect the whole being.
On the other hand, if there is a real inner feeling that one can just let go of sex without a big fight, then I think that would be ok.
I suppose it would depend a lot on what kind of lifestyle one wants to live.
For myself, it becomes less important as I get older. I think companionship, mutual care, support and affection are the things of most value in a relationship.

 

Yes, if we have the level of awareness whereby we can access that peace. Not everyone can, as yet. Sometimes, though, knowing something intellectually isn't enough to generate the experience. From what I've seen, I think the knowing starts out on the level of mind or intellect, but then works itself down into our emotions and into the body, where we then know it on the gut level. That's when we live this knowing continuously.

Yeah, this is really cool. Objectivity is the key. I think of it as a camera shutter, the wider we open it (to encompass the whole) the more peace we experience. If we close the shutter so much so as to only view a tiny specific aspect of experience then it's easy to lose perspective and react.

As Albert Einstein said (paraphrasing)... we can't solve a problem at the same level of awareness that created it.

I see it as nonjudgment. There is no "right" way to be, just be natural. Resisting something doesn't free us from it, it only drives it deeper into the unconscious.

Yes I value that greatly. Of course I still find sex to be highly desirable, as my drive often reminds me.

 

I agree that there is no one 'right' way to be. Different strokes for different folks.
If someone is happy being celibate, I see no problem provided the descision has come from inside themself.
Likewise, if someone is happy having a relationship, again, all well and good.
I don't think it's streching it too far to say that even a promiscuous person could be following what's right for them.

Of course, things change with time and development.

I tend to the view that we are all unique individuals if we could but realize it. Probably, there is a right way for each one to be - but that can't be applied to all.

To quote my fave english poet, Blake: "One law for the lion and the ox is oppression'.

 

Just last night a friend of mine was trying to get me to promise that neither of us would have sex again, until it was to reproduce. We got into that, because we were discussing the state of the universe (existence as we know it) and how fucked up humans really are in comparison to everything that we know exists...(Ie. the rate at which we kill each other and other species, our strict reliance on fucked up social norms etc...) Well, I didn't make the promise...not because I don't have respect for the act of sex, but because I bring that human element of "love" (many forms) in to the realm of the act of reproduction...I won't have sex with just anyone, it's has to be a girl I can see myself being with, doesn't mean that I HAVE to be with her, just that I could see it. It is the act of affection that puts my love in to motion.

So, while I have respect for those who are celibate for intelligent reasons, those that simply do it (or lack there of...) because their religion tells them to seem a bit ridiculous.

 

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Sexual energy is one of the strongest energies that humans readily feel. Everyone can attest to the power of being super duper unbelievably turned on.

That's why most masters recommend initiates to be celibate, because it can become such a distraction that it disharmonizes them. True masters just have sex at a whole different level of consciousness and mind/body connection. It's like quickie -> sex -> foreplay -> The Next Level!

 

I've never been celibate on purpose.