It's simply a cease fire. One that most would have told you was going to happen in time for the innauguration. Will it last? Not as long as some see themselves as CHOSEN!
Because they don't stand in the way of the biblical inheritance and property boundaries. Now you limit their parlimentary exercise. So they may be different from their Palestinian counterparts, but they are yet not equal under your government.
Why would Israel want to spy on Hamas? What a naive question. How can you stumble over something like this and then claim to be a rare genius that has discovered the greatest conspiracy in the history of the world? And who says Hamas has never been weakened? Has Israel never managed to foil any Hamas plot? Assassinate any Hamas operative? Or let me put it another way - why is it that blindingly obvious facts escape you while you are busy trying to fit everything into the circular logic of your precious conspiracy theory? Because paying someone off to slip you information is nothing like controlling the organisation. The CIA had people in the KGB and vice versa. The FBI has mob informants, and the mob has corrupt cops they pay to tip them off. They don't 'control' each other. Isn't this something you should be capable of figuring out on you own? Hamas doesn't see it that way do they? Nor do the people who vote for them. That's the fun thing about the cult you've joined isn't it? It tells you that you are better than everyone else. Only you see the truth. Only you are awake. You are soooo special.
Executive Review News Service 12/21/01 Original Link: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/EIR204A.html
Sure Yassir Arafat, terrorist and bitter enemy of both Israel and Hamas. What better person to get an honest opinion on the relationship between Israel and Hamas? But you know what's really sad? What really makes you seem like a pathetic, gullible fool? Your habit of quoting things that contradict your own argument. The first quote says Israel allowed Hamas to be established and encouraged its development. You like this quote because its true, and the fact that it doesn't support your argument is not important to you. It certainly doesn't mention the fact that Hamas was not formed as a terrorist group, but that's just inconvenient and you don't like to talk about it. The second quote says "Rabin himself defined it as a fatal error". Why would an Israeli conspiracy to create a terrorist movement they control be a fatal error? It says exactly the opposite of what you intend - it says they allowed Hamas to grow stronger, but didn't control it. But the conspiracy website said that you should copy and paste that quote and you do what the conspiracy websites tell you to do. Because if you are wrong you can always run away and talk about something else like nothing happened. The third quote tried to allude the the fact that Hamas has money and wonders where they get it form. Well genius, they have an office in Syria why don't you drop by and ask them where they get money? While you are there you can discuss the Rotary Clubs and Freemasons that they think are part of a global zionist conspiracy, you might get along great. They don't drink beer though. So there we have it - you have posted three quotes which completely fail to support your argument, and really more than anything just prove that you don't read what you copy and paste. But you don't care. You copied and pasted something from a conspiracy website, so as far as you are concerned the debate is over. Conspiracy websites are not to be questioned. You gave us a chance to receive the great wisdom of the conspiracy, and if we refuse then you will not tolerate questioning or dissent from the unawakened masses.
Funny how Arafat is (was) a terrorist, but the Israelis are never terrorists when they deliberately target schools full of innocent children with their missiles.
Arafat was also a Nobel Peace Prize winner along with Rabin. I totally see how what you said makes sense, just as I now see Fatah being used against Hamas. They try to work Hezbollah into the mix as well, and when all else fails they throw in Al Qaeda. I remember Rabin being assassinated by a rabid zionist jew not an Arab. They want us to believe the Arab boogeyman will get us, when in truth we should be looking at the real criminals. http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9511/rabin/arafat/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/13/newsid_3053000/3053733.stm I guess some jews hadn't had enough of blood and tears.
The idea that Hamas was created by Israel only appeals to conspiracy lovers who have very little idea of what goes on in the Middle East. Number 1 - read the Hamas charter Number 2- look for the Hamas agenda that got it elected Number 3- talk to Palestinians , go to Gaza and the West Bank, the people of Gaza are different from those in the West Bank, they speak with an accent, they eat different food ,they have been under Egyptian rule when the West Bank was under Jordan. They tend to be more religious and they are generally poorer. There is no conspiracy - the Gazans are different from the West Bankers
There are very few people in Israel who believe in biblical inheritance. Maybe people who live in the United States where belief in God is almost universal, find it hard to to imagine a secular state. For Israelis the war with the Palestinians is a matter of survival and not of Expansionism , Zionism ,Colonialism or other conspiracy.
1200+ vs 13 hard to support that view isn't it? As to the US belief in God. The enrollment in a particular religion or church isn't a prerequist to citizenship, contrary to the Bush/Cheney administration. Under Israeli law, the acquisition of nationality is one of the few areas in which the law differentiates between Jews and non-Jews. Under the Law of Return, a Jew gets Israeli citizenship automatically when immigrating to Israel. Non-Jews can acquire Israeli nationality in one of five ways.
It's part of the public record that Hamas was created by Israel. It's not a conspiracy theory. The "official" story is that Israel funded and trained Hamas to go up against the PLO. About a week or two ago Ron Paul admitted on national TV that Israel helped to create Hamas... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4 To say it's a conspiracy theory just proves that you're an ignoramus.
So what does this prove? That Gazan lives are worth less? Because they speak with an accent, they like different food? Because they are poor?
I don’t buy into the new word order theories but. Hamas was created by the CIA and now in control of the KGB ? but who knows the CIA could really have control? This is not conspiracy theory it is Middle Eastern warfare.. Islamic armies and territories change hands like squares in a chessboard. But the concept of the illuminati or Zionist control it all is weak and false it is an on going battle.
The idea is that Gazan voted hamas because they are different from the (Fatah supporting) West Bankers. Hamas is not an Israeli conspiracy to undermine Fatah, the Gazans themselves want to undermine Fatah cause they are sick of West Bankers controlling them. I didn't say anything about who's life is worth what Pressed_Rat: If it makes sense to you that an organization that calls for the destruction of Israel and actively work for it was created by Israel then I can't really argue. If I were an Islamist who hates Israel with a passion I wouldn't agree to join an organization created by Israel . I can't see how the people who run Hamas (who are genuinely interested in creating a fully Islamic state in the whole of Palestine) would agree to be an Israeli puppet . Of course ,one cannot argue with Ron Paul...
why is that hard to support? Israel's army is superior to Hamas' ,so of course Israel will have less casualties. If you have a better army you are not allowed to protect yourself from missiles? The fact that Hamas uses human shields is well documented, they fire rockets from civilian residents , should Israel bomb those rockets or allow them to continue firing? this is true ,but why does that support your theory that : "Because they don't stand in the way of the biblical inheritance and property boundaries." The "they" in your sentence refers to Israeli arabs, if "they" don't "stand in the way" ,they you must mean that Gazans and West Bankers do. But how can the laws of " biblical inheritance and property boundaries" be applied to the West Bank and Gaza when they are not a part of Israel?
No, its not. You are lying, again. You have been caught lying about this many times, but its a necessary lie for your theory so you just repeat it. It is though, again you are just lying because its something you want to believe. The "official" story is that Israel allowed and encouraged the creation of Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO. Here's an english lesson for you Rat: 'allow' and 'encourage' and not synonyms for 'create' or 'control'. The very idea that Israel create Hamas is ridiculous. Hamas is just an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood, an organisation that had chapters across the middle east. Of course you are happy to lie. You lie, produce quotes that don't back up your argument, and then ignore anyone who points out you are lying. Ron Paul admitted? WTF? "Admitted"? Seriously WTF? That's the lamest thing I've heard in a while.
well he did stand in front of congress and make the statement.. (1:25 in) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4
^ im sure the tunnel rats are appreciative of it too.. kinda hard to dig with all them damn bombs goin off..
