Causes Of Homosexuality.

Homosexuality is probably due to hormonal programming in the brain in utero. Studies of women who took Diethylstilbestrol (DES), a synthetic estrogen drug, while pregnant. show this. Their children were gay by a factor of two to one. Plus hormonal levels thru life may play a role. Which is why some lesbians are tall with deep voices. Probably due to a lot of testosterone.

There might be more than one cause, or type of homosexuality. And it is a social and political phenomenon too. The ancients had it. They just didn't call it anything.

Plus, there is the theory of the homosexual spectrum. We are all born with some degree of homosexuality. Some just have more of it. And some chose to suppress or ignore it.

 

Be fruitful and multiply was the command. You can't do that and be homosexual. But why this command? To build armies for protection of the tribe or really the central figure. Wars, conflicts were settled by the loss of life. Men primarily. Women bore soldiers or that was what was hoped for. Soldiers went off to war leaving women behind. Women got pregnant by the leader of the tribe or nation who stayed behind. Soldiers would have nothing to do between battles and without women around they turned to themselves for sexual pleasure. The women left behind only had the leader for heterosexual relations and they turned to one another when the male wasn't around. Thus you had plenty of homosexual activity going on. That's not to say sexual orientation isn't derived by how an individual develops. Only to say it can come from other pathways too.

 

I think that you have summed it up quite accurately.

 

Years ago during a variety of college courses I recall a variety of influencing factors including:

1: Family heritage, probably a variety of inherited genes influencing hormonal behavior. I can think of one family which had a gay son and two gay uncles. A defective "X" or "Y" chromosome may influence sexuality.

2. As populations develop into more urban societies, certain individuals become alienated in the heterosexual drive for suitable mates. These "outcasts" may join social groups that may lead to homosexual or bisexual behavior in order to reach status in the social group. Sociology 1A.

3. Some men lose the ability to perform sexually with women, as a result of disease, aging or anatomical anomalies.

4. There used to be a hint of incomplete synapse wherin an individual get an "X" chromosome from his mother and his father along with the expected "Y" chromosome.

 

Well, my theory is that what led me to the possibility was two-fold:

1. Childhood Exploration, followed by
2. Teenage Promiscuity & Substance Abuse

Usually things are "socialized". That is my truth on the matter, but others suggest something else; you'll hear someone express they were this way from birth.

Sometimes that's because it was socially normal in their environment or introduced and then not regulated by role models or family.

 

Trouble is none of these theories have been proven to be an exact cause of homosexuality. They may have an influence but as a definite cause, no.

 

Males with autism are almost four times as likely to identify as bisexual. Females with autism are three times as likely to identify as gay.

Autistic individuals are more likely to be LGBTQ+

 

I reckon some men just like to suck dick.

 

Everyone is bisexual with various preferences for how masculine or feminine partners are. Society has simply constructed the idea that sex is only for reproduction therefore it’s only appropriate to be attracted to the opposite sex. If you think you’re 100% one way or the other, you’re lyrical yourself.

 

One of the things - arguments, really - I heard was whether or not homosexuality was due to nature or nurture and things I've observed over the years has been a mixture of both and an understanding that our morals and norms do not account for or allow for someone's feelings and as straightma1e said, you cannot obey the command to go ye forth and multiply if you're only having sex in a way that guarantees that you won't be multiplying and while we cannot pinpoint the moment when homosexuality appeared in humans, it now seems to be a genetic memory kind of thing and to the extent that scientists actually went looking for a "gay gene" in the human genome.

For as long as I've been alive, we've been obsessed with what causes homosexual behaviors and not all that willing to accept that it's a part of human behavior that's been ingrained into our species and all the rules and prohibitions against it has done nothing to stop people from being homosexual or, in my case, bisexual. Somewhere in our past, two men decided that it would be a good idea to have sex with each other and we can only imagine what the life conditions were in that moment and one of many moments that's been long lost to time and history and likely occurred before we learned how to write it down.

We make such a big deal about homosexuality because it goes against religious and social norms and, in my opinion alone, the reason why bisexuality fucks with a lot of people since we're neither straight or gay and in a social setting where, grudgingly, you must be one or the other and both, well, that's just being greedy and all that rot. One of the guys I grew up with got "sissified" by his older sisters and he was happily gay; others obeyed what we were told about this homosexual taboo and were literally scared straight while some of us found out that being able to have sex both ways, well, that just works. I know both guys and gals who tried things the straight way, then the bi way, and settled into being homosexual because that's what best suited their purposes and conformed with their feelings. I know guys and gals who were "forced" into being homosexual due to being wholly rejected by opposite sex peers because of a lot of shit around attraction, looks, the way one dresses, whether or not they come from a good family and a raft of petty shit to make these people think that they're unsuitable to be heterosexual and their only recourse - other than adopting a totally celibate life - was to be homosexual and because, as one girl told me, "It's better than nothing."

Our social norms still do not allow for how one can feel about someone and in the same-sex way of things; religions continue to prohibit any acts of homosexuality and with promises of death and eternal damnation and, again, none of which has done a thing to make everyone who has ever lived, who are alive today, and who will be alive in the future be just and only heterosexual. Instead of wondering why humans can be homosexual, perhaps our energies would be best served trying to figure out why religion and our social norms have refused to get with the program - and the program that has been up and running for only God knows how long.

And if you really want to know why someone is homo- or bisexual, ask them - if you're lucky, they just might tell you why they are. Now it's on you to accept this... or not.

 

Trust you to find a simple answer.

 

It is easy to look towards one answer to a question. I assume that there are multiple choices, including inheritance and alternatively environmental stresses.

If you isolate 12 preteen males or females on a desert island for twenty years, I suspect that a percentage will engage in homosexual sexual activity. If a combination of 12 males and females will probably behave in heterosexual relationships.

 

Point well taken. Living conditions influence sexuality. Imagine within a group of sequestered soldiers in ancient times, those off fighting in long wars, there was plenty of same sex relations going on. Although free born Roman soldiers were forbidden to have relations with other free born Romans. While that was not allowed the spoils of war or other men, male slaves, prostitutes, were readily available and used. So yes, same sex people isolated for a long time will become close emotionally which leads to intimacy. Mix the two and pairing off will happen. But not with all.

 

The important point is that sexuality is not simply a matter of "choice". Sexual orientation seems to be formed, whether by nature or nurture or some combination of both, early in life, and is a relatively stable orientation. Sure there are situations when folks in prison or other situations where the opposite sex isn't available will turn to same sex gratification as an alternative to their hands, but that shouldn't obscure the usual etiology as a stable condition of a person/s constitution.
Do Gays Have a Choice?
https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/no-gay-gene-but-study-finds-genetic-links-to-sexual-behavior-idUSKCN1VJ2C2/
Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior
Understanding sexual orientation and homosexuality
Is a person ‘born gay’, or is being gay a learned behavior? - The Tech Interactive
Stop calling it a choice: Biological factors drive homosexuality
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2010/nature-vs-nurture-the-biology-of-sexuality

On the other hand, while having a homosexual orientation isn't a choice, the decision not to act on it may be a choice! Celibacy, while difficult, is possible.
More and More People Are Swearing Off Sex, Here's Why
Is it even possible to live a celibate life?
Is Voluntary Celibacy on the Rise?
It might even be possible for a gay person to be happy married in a heterosexual relationship.
Straight Women and Their Gay Husbands
Straight Women and Their Gay Husbands
https://www.salon.com/2015/04/19/we...ight_wives_are_coming_out_as_happily_married/
I’m a gay man, happily married to a woman. And I'm not the only one - LifeSite
Mixed-orientation marriage - Wikipedia

While the oft-cited claim that half of marriages end in divorce is exaggerated (actually, only 43% meet that fate.) Revealing Divorce Statistics In 2024 – Forbes Advisor), marriage is challenging for anyone, and "mixed marriages" where sexuality is concerned is probably risky.

 

I know that in my peer group's "experimentation," almost every time we were in a group and pretty much bored out of our minds, the thing that always came up was, "Let's go do it!" and those who weren't okay with it would leave; those of us who were more of a bisexual persuasion would be elated because if you couldn't get to do it to a girl, there's one of the fellas and, yes, one of our number was "seriously gay" and, many years later and thinking about him, I felt that his gayness was environmental, i.e., he had two sisters that "succeeded" in turning him into a sister instead of a brother; there were stories from neighboring neighborhoods of overbearing fathers being the reason for homosexuality or mothers who babied their sons or gave their daughters a hard way to go and this environmental input impact their sexuality.

Some would grow up and into heterosexuality, a lot of us would remain bisexual, and some found that being gay - but maybe not quite like our resident gay guy - was the right thing for them to do both sexually and romantically and I felt that peer pressure "made" some guys/gals homosexual by rejecting them and deeming them undesirable and in every way that mattered. Guys who couldn't have sex with a girl and/or secure a relationship with a girl would, more often than not, turn to guys for sex and, as an extension, romantic intimacies. Girls who had been traumatized by hormone-crazed boys would often turn to other girls for emotional succor that could also lead to sex.

Nurture or nature and maybe even environmental. I would travel around the city and into other neighborhoods and would find myself comparing their sexual proclivities to my own neighborhood (as far as same-sex activities went) and in some neighborhoods, it was non-existent while in others, wow, they made my neighborhood look like we never learned about having sex - and a couple of neighborhoods were "predominantly gay," to put it that way.

I found that trying to nail down what causes homosexuality was an interesting thing to think about but there's no definitive answer to this question other than... it just is what it's always been. I've read a lot of interesting stuff about homosexuality that, at best, is plausible or, yeah, it could've been like that but, with all things considered, if we're looking for some kind of "single source" answer, I hope that we're not holding our breath...

 

The long living saga of Priests making vows of celibacy, and preying on young men, is a clear example of why the practice is unrealistic. If celibate men or women were allowed to Live a normal life enhanced by a loving relationship they could practice their faith without conflicts other than other Married couples.

An example (1) that I can cite goes back to my college years when I worked in a pest management agency. One of our clients was a California Mission that had a Nunnery on site. The Nun candidates lived on campus in small detached rooms with no windows or other amenities. They were for the most part teenage girls from South America, who were prohibiting from seeing men (of any age) until they completed their training. My job was to inspect the living are for signd of rodents or other vermin and take suppression measures. I carried a small bell on a brass pole and rang it as I completed my survey. If the nun candidate heard the bell they would hide in their hut until the danger passed. This tactic is probably still being practices since it had been in place for hundreds of years.

Another example (2) was dueing the Clinton years wherein birth control was offered as a choice for young women to prevent teenage pregnancy. Teenage pregnancy dropped to the lowest level in recorded history. When George W. Bush got elected the concepts of birth control choices was eliminated and abstinence was offered as a replacement. Within two years teenage pregnancy soared to the highest level in recorded history.

Celibacy is an unrealistic goal in advenced societies.

 

I tend to agree. One of the Catholic objections to gay sex is that it's "unnatural" I can't think of anything more unnatural than celibacy!

 

This is one of the insane twists between The Old Testament, and the Christian New Testament. The underlying position the Christian writers were believing was celibacy even though it was commanded to be "Fruitful and multiply". Looking closely at the New Testament canon there is a lot of instruction for the abstention of all sexual practices except those between a husband and wife. In a period of the Roman Empire where there was accepted homosexuality, the letters to various communities contained in the New Testament instructed to avoid such practices. It was thought the second coming of Christ was to be very soon, as within Pauls life. In the apocalypse there is no need for sex and human souls will not fuck, whether it be husband and wife or otherwise. So yes, celibacy will be a very natural thing because there will be no need to be "Fruitful and multiply". The oxy to this is human souls will love other human souls regardless of sexual orientation because there will be no sexual orientation. That would be the epitome of homosexuality.

 

Not exactly. The love would be agapen not eros.

 

Y'all are talking about the prohibition against homosexuality, orientation, behaviors, etc., and none of that really speaks to the causes of homosexuality. I had said that somewhere back in time - and lost to time - two guys figured out how to have sex with each other; likewise, two women figured it out as well and the best I could do when trying to speak to this was to postulate that those early homosexuals were either just doing whatever nature was urging them to do or it was a learned behavior and one that, either way, got passed "up the line" and from generation to generation and the religious prohibition... didn't do a whole lot to stop men and women from not going forth and being fruitful and multiplying because (a) they didn't want to or as simple as needs must and any agreeable port in a storm.

A lot of the origins of human sexuality has been lost to time or, as a friend said, "If it ain't written down, it never happened!" but in this, it would be a long time before we'd learn how to write shit down - and learning how to write something as well - and one had to consider that the advent of religion made any references to homosexuality "disappear" because homosexuality didn't conform with religious mandates but there's documented evidence that homosexuality in humans was doing fine and dandy before religion came along to squash it... and the younger version of myself - after spending an untold number of hours in public libraries trying to find the answer to why I was bisexual - really got to understand that as much as religion and our religious-based morality tried to eradicate homosexuality, um, it couldn't and didn't and, by the way, homosexuals weren't the only ones who got into same-sex stuff.

As I mentioned, I would become aware of how folks I knew became homosexual, from finding out that the opposite sex didn't light their fires to folks being subjected to horrific peer pressure strictures that made homosexuality their only recourse if they wanted to experience love, sex, and relationships and like everyone else was trying to do. Homosexuals were insisting that (a) they were born this way and (b) they had no choice in the matter and I would say - and still say - that they were partially right because we're all born with the potential to be homosexual and even bisexual but social conditioning wants to make everyone heterosexual - and it works until one finds out that homosexuality isn't as bad as everyone insists that it is and my being able to understand that, true enough, one never chooses to have these feelings... but one does choose to do something about them or to not do anything about them and... it was a tired-ass argument when I was young and it's even more tired in the here and now... and still does not speak to what got two males - or two females - to figure out how to have sex with each other and before it became immoral to do so.

And like a friend said and just before we were about to blow each other, "If God didn't want us to do this, we wouldn't be able to do this!" and his words stuck in my mind as we sucked each other off and, notably, neither of us got struck down by a lightning bolt from heaven. I've read so many books about human sexuality and what history continues to exist in this and most of what I read spoke to "social causes" of homosexuality in humans, i.e., not being able to have sex with a woman because she's seriously protecting her eggs and saving access to them for the male who can and will support and protect her and her offspring to men fighting to the death to be able to get the woman to being deemed unfit to be with a woman, and the list goes on as far as social reasons why homosexuality exists but, in my opinion, doesn't speak to the more "simpler" answer that it's just plain old human nature that once it manifested itself, it's still going strong.

The arguments about nature versus nurture are way older than I am (duh, right?). More modern thinking and observations show that it's nature, it can be nurturing (or the lack thereof) but it can also be environmental and social that plays into the causes of homosexuality but, as I found, doesn't really explain why people are bisexual other than trying both and liking both and let's keep it moving. What makes a man who's been married to a woman for decades decide that once she stops wanting to have sex, turning to men for sex just makes perfectly good sense? What makes a guy who's been heterosexual all of his life gets older and decide that being homosexual is what works for him? Is it totally because of the fubar situation with older women or is it really something that's innately human that drives a "new" need to be homosexual?

And if all of this has bored you and makes your head hurt, well, now you know how I felt when I was digging around for the causes of homosexuality in order to attempt to explain my bisexuality...