Catholic meltdown

Probably not.

the late Pope JPII didn't resign even when being crippled by Parkinson's.

 

You couldn't convince me he didn't die years before he 'resigned'

 

It has already been stated in this thread that most if not all countries require you to notify the police if you are aware that a serious crime has been committed. Surely this point is not in dispute.

That's a completely different situation. There was a world-wide consensus that he was a good person. His compassion was obvious to the majority of folks from most of the world's religious viewpoints. The new guy hasn't shown us that side of himself, if it exists. Nobody outside of the church feels motivated to cut him any slack.

 

No, what did Benedict not do then? Please give a specific example...

So being a good and likeable person is qualifications to be Bishop of Rome and the leader of the Church? Interesting fact, Pope John Paul II probably did less than Benedict to help those victims of clerical sexual abuse. Benedict at least is addressing and trying to eradicate the problem.

The whole "Benedict is a cold person" thing is concocted by mainstream media types who have never met him personally but want to see him step down or removed because of their own agenda. They want to destroy the Church.

 

"Blame the media". Tried and true dodge.

 

In a single lifetime, all this crisis of faith and decency is tragic, in the span of time itself it means nothing at all. It is at the level of a single lifetime that we need to concentrate for results. "Breakdowns come and breakdowns go, what are you going to do about it, that's what I'd like to know.

 

Encourage education. World wide. Ignorance/stupidity must go.

 

Absolutely, starting with our own.

 

Moral leadership is hard to define on paper, but most of us know it when we see it.

 

Pope John Paul II was widely recognized as a strong leader. During his term he wasn't confronted with many of the atrocities Pope Benedict has encountered. I admire Pope John Paul II. I don't agree with everything he did, but I think he was an intelligent man. He wasn't afraid to apologize for past transgressions of the church. That's not to say he'd just roll over, but he knew right from wrong and when it was smart to admit fault.

When Pope John Paul II died, there was no clear leader to assume the papacy. There were numerous ballots, but little progress. When Benedict was chosen I remember reading his election was largely because he was old and wasn't expected to hold the office for an extended period. That would give the College of Cardinals time so hopefully a qualified candidate would emerge.

 

I loved how he forgave his shooter.

 

No, that was a cheesy form of weakness. I liked him in spite of that.

 

I didn't see that as cheesy at all or a form of weakness. I saw it as a form of strength.

I liked him for many reasons despite of that as well. He was a charismatic and intelligent fellow. I didn't agree with some of his stances, though.

 

Not at all. To forgive someone who has hurt you in anyway is one of the hardest things to do. If someone even tried to shoot me, I don't know if I could forgive them.

 

Well, I am not impressed that the Vatican is now claiming that the sex scandals are down to homosexuality and not their celibacy rule. Apparently the reason is that there is a link between homosexuality and paedophilia.

Any excuse really...

 

Ya mean like this...

 

[SIZE=-2](Source: Wikipedia)[/SIZE] The Concordat between the Vatican and the Nazis

[SIZE=-1]Cardinal Secretary of State, Eugenio Pacelli (later to become Pope Pius XII) signs the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican at a formal ceremony in Rome on 20 July 1933. Nazi Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen sits at the left, Pacelli in the middle, and the Rudolf Buttmann sits at the right.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The Concordat effectively legitimized Hitler and the Nazi government to the eyes of Catholicism, Christianity, and the world.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]The full text of the concordat appears on the Concordat Watch website. (click here to see the text). [/SIZE]


SMOKING GUN!
Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935 [SIZE=-1]On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."[/SIZE]

 

Revelationchapters 17 and 18.

17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth [King James Version; the New International Version Bible uses "hills" instead of "mountains"].

17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

 

priest are supposed to get married and have sex its in their bible but the pope doesn't like that...

 

really? I thought the child molestation first started coming out when John Paul II was alive?