Cat Stevens

Discussion in 'COOL Music' started by River 1509, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. DMBFFF

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    Yusef ISLAM endorsed the murder, or murder attempt, of Salman Rushdie.

    Later he tried to deny it.

    Anytime I hear a Cat Stevens song on the radio, I either turn it off or change the station.





    Death In Vegas - Aisha (Featuring Iggy Pop)




    Now for some decent Arabic music:

    What are you listening to ? - Page 171 - Literotica Discussion Board



     
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  3. Dude111

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    He used to be good in the 70s and earlier...........
     
  4. Barry Thrift

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    His early stuff was his best.
     
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  5. DMBFFF

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    I just found this. Likeable.


    El Morabba3 - Wikipedia

    and from Mali:

    Name 5 Cat Stevens/Yusef ISLAM songs better than this:

     
  6. Asmodean

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    Why?
     
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    I obviously don't like the former—perhaps just a personal thing with me—and to an extent his apologists—say the media that give him time but not others who are from Muslim-majority countries that have probably suffered due to Islam; and I like Tinariwen, or at least a few of their songs.

    Yemeni Jewish Arab—Muslims kicked Jews out of Yemen, though their presence there likely far predates Islam.

     
  8. Asmodean

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    Thanks for explaining :) I personally don't see the use of making this an arab or muslim music thread, just because Stevens became muslim and made tunes with an islamic theme.
    I definitely don't see the use of comparing middle eastern music to Tea for the tillerman like its some kind of competition.
     
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  9. Some of Cat Stevens' music is a little bit melodramatic.
     
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    Oh, it's not his conversion that particularly bothers me—he sounded a bit washed up a little before that; but that he endorsed the murder, or attempted murder, of Salman Rushdie, and then later essentially lied about it.

    Wild World (song) - Wikipedia

    Some critics and music writers have deemed "Wild World" to be condescending and misogynistic.
     
  11. "Wild World" isn't so bad. "Sad Lisa," though...so melodramatic.
     
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    The title sounds a bit melodramatic. :D
     
  13. tumbling.dice

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    It's a shame that Yusef made those comments concerning the fatwa against Rushdie. He blew an opportunity to disagree with the Ayatollah show other Muslims that moderate Islam is a thing. Hopefully he realizes his mistake and has mellowed in his old age. Maybe he'll eventually wise up and Cat Stevens will return.
     
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    Agreed.

    Not sure that's needed in order to wise up.
     
  15. tumbling.dice

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    Well, I say that because I escaped organized religion at a young age. I like when others escape it too.
     
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    I personally don’t see a need to promote music based on ethnicity or religion. Talent is all that it should be based on that alone, Personally I find it harder to listen to songs that I cant understand the message they are giving, not all the time, but some times, One of the artists you liked moved from Lebanon to France and clearly is heavily influenced by western music. Not sure what her religion is either and it doesn’t matter to me. :). But I liked it, France can promote her and does, :)
     
  17. Asmodean

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    He joined it voluntarily as an adult.
     
  18. srgreene

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    Cat Stevens, in adulthood, joined a "religion" that, as a matter of doctrine, wants to make people like me dhimmis, without rights of people who adhere to his ideology. That same ideology calls for the subjugation of women. In my mind, those factors interfere with my appreciation of him while he is alive. When you buy one of his recordings, you help sustain his efforts in that regard. I for one want no part of him.


    I would not apply the same standard to people born into a tradition. For example, a year or so ago, I saw a wonderfulperformance of a whirling dervish, a product of Sufiism. Now I don't know that I have an objection to Sufiism- after all, they too have been subject to oppression for their beliefs. However, while I greatly admire the music of Richard Wagner, I would not pay to hear the music of the nasty anti-Semite if he were still alive.

    I do think you need to consider what it is you are supporting in this world.
     
  19. Not everyone who joins a religion follows the teachings to the letter. In fact, most don't. I see it primarily as an aesthetic that speaks to them, rather than a strict doctrine, necessarily.
     
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    Suppression of the infidel is a central to the canon of Islam. The entire ideology does not support the equality of all people- only believers are "equal" (and then, not half of them). You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
     

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