islam is not and never has been a peaceful religion, mohammed himself fought I cant remember the number off hand but around 80 battles the vast majority of them were offensive attacking people that didnt want to be muslims . sometimes he had fooled the people he fought into believing he was a man of peace . Ive lived in a islamic country, my father is arabic speaking and lived most of his life in the middle east, and my family is multiracial half white half chinese, so I do not support the bnp ect ect. everything Ive said about islam I can back up using mainline islamic scripture the quran and haddith. can you show me anywhere where cat stevens has said Im working for a world where people dont get killed for writing books . no you cant, because thats not what he wants . hes a book burner
I'm not here to debate weather islam (the faith) is peaceful or not, But i beleive Yusaf is. He never said that he wanted to kill Rushdie, he said, to a student of islam, that IF someone was to disrespect the profet or somehitng that under ilsamic law, IF they were found guilty, then tey would be exectued...BUT, as i pointed out in the hippie forumilsam law also states that if islam law allows somehitng that a country law does not the country law takes higher authouirty than ilsam law...
dont just believe what cat stevens writes on his website he didnt just answer a question he went on national tv and he said that if he knew where rushdie was he would call people or agents of khomeni and they would do rushdie major harm . which means kill him because thats what khomenis agents would do he got lots of bad publicity from this and since then hes been trying to paint himself and his views and actions at the time in a better light than they were he got what he wanted rushdie in hiding, people too scared to openly write books critical of mohammed and islam in the uk , and now he wants to get people to think he has a nice agenda with you and most of the people posting on these threads he seems to have succeeded go back on his website and see if he says that people shouldnt be killed for insulting mohammed he doesnt all he says is that he cant kill the ones in the uk at the moment . do you think that people should be killed for writing books you dont like. if cat stevens was a christian and he had caused a witchunt against monty python let say and forced them to spend more than 20 years on the run , if people had killed editors of the life of brian and blown up video shops selling the life of brian would you feel the same about him and the important part is he still wants rushdie dead , he says that on his website someone who defames the prophet mohammed should be put to death that is his longterm goal
What worries me here is that Cat/Yusuf seems to be being treated as a kind of focus for people's dislike of Islam. I don't really see him as a threat - there are no doubt some Muslims who are - but this man? I think not. However, someone came up with this papaphrase - 'and if I ever loose my hands then I ... I.... won't be able to steal no more.... Sad but true in some parts of the world.
it depends how you define threat I dont think he himself is going to strap a bomb round himself and take out a school bus . I think its likely that he did knowingly give money to terrorists , it could be that today he wouldnt do that , but really we dont know . I think the real threat comes from the fact that he is the smiley face of a ideology opposed to freedom. if you read what he has to say he still believes people like rushdie should be killed he believes in things like sheria law and working towards a world wide islamic state . who is the bigger threat someone like osama who declares convert or die, or someone who builds up numbers in a country and then turns the country into something like saudi arabia. I think the latter. both share the same fascist ideology but ones more clever before he strikes
Apparently some tabloid a few decades back invented some quotes related to Salmon Rushdie, and some people still think he actually said that stuff. Someone's probably explained this already, and I probably should have read the thread first before replying...
thats what cat stevens says hes lieing I saw him with my own eyes saying what he was reported in the newspapers as saying . if he was smeared why didnt he take those newspapers to court . on his website he mentions giving a talk he doesnt mention the times he was interviewed on tv on film what I wonder is whether its possible to get a copy of the main interview I remember seeing on newnight on bbc2 , because what he said there was more damning than any of the reports that have appeared online in text.
http://partners.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-cat.html thats a link to what cat stevens said on one tv programme I saw it, but as I say I think he was worse on another one newsnight .but that one he said he would contact khomeni so he could kill rushdie if he found out where he lived . http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4612 cat stevens with his terrorist financing friend dr siddequi making threats to someone else apart from rushdie because he said he thought satanic verses would make a good film heres a extract from the mans statement Farrukh Dhondy: "In the first week of the fatwa against Rushdie and his book, I appeared on a television panel. Among the Muslim panelists, all of whom favored condemning the book, were two zealots: the same Kalim Siddiqui; and Yusuf Islam, the Muslim convert pop singer of Greek Cypriot origin formerly known as Cat Stevens. The moderator asked if, in my role as a commissioning editor of Channel 4 UK, I would contemplate turning The Satanic Verses into a film. I said that I would judge the cinematic merits of the script, and that no other consideration would rule it out. Kalim Siddiqui and Yusuf Islam snarled, warning that the sentence of death on Rushdie would extend to all those who forwarded his book in any way." if he had made satanic verses into a film he would be dead or on the run too According to a May 2003 GQ Article by Jake Tapper (unfortunately not available online, as best as I can tell), Stevens gave 4000 pounds - in two separate meetings - to Sheikh Jamil Hamami - a senior Hamas operative. In 1991, the Japanese translator of "The Satanic Verses" was stabbed to death and the translator of the Italian version was knifed. the Norwegian publisher was shot twice in the back bookshots bombed more on the issue http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/blasphemy.html what he says on his site about the affair and his part in it is bogus and fake , it wasnt some tabloid making up storys
Obviously, no-one would give a chimp's cock about it if he wasn't famous. In his defence, Hamas is only as bad as... well Israel in general really.
I saw him with my own eyes saying what he was reported in the newspapers as saying . Since you actually saw him personally say it (I'm presuming on television, not in person), okay, it sounds like you couldn't be wrong! Odds are good that it's archived with the broadcaster, and maybe you can find it on video. If so, put it into a format that we can view online, I'll set up an account on a box that you can upload it to, and I'll personally provide hosting for it so anyone on earth can see it. Given the degree of hatred towards muslims these days, I'm pretty sure this would have been done if it still exists on video- and surely it would, since a video of it was apparently broadcast. If he did in fact support assassinating someone for their viewpoint, that SHOULD be shown to the public, and I'd certainly do my part to help disseminate the video clip.
