"Cardboard kills" - does heavy LSD use result in loss of intelligence?

Now that i think about it im much more interested in learning about things such as Greek mythology to Life science. But my memory is defiantly where i took the hard one, maybe it has something to do with we process new information so well, that we cant process the thoughts in our memories as easy...any one else have an opinion on this?

 

well i wouldn't really say that alcohol and ecstacy function the same way that lsd does on a grander scale relative to the gaining/loss of intelligence.

most drugs function completely differently from psychadelics. they overpower us and force us into their personal frame of experience, while psychadelics on the other hand are similar to a certain extent, but they are also catalysts.

being catalysts they function much on the same basis for most everything else in reality. i don't have any empirical basis for why i think this, but it is merely just a summary of what i have learned over the years and what i have observed, and what i beleive. just like yin and yang, there is an up for every down, a perfect balance of energy, this reality is very much based on this. so psychadelics, being catalysts to the system of yin and yang will also function on the very same system.

other drugs however are less catalysts to the prestablished system and more their own system. so they have a much more predictable effect. that is not to say though that they won't have an opposite reaction in some other aspect of reality.

so there is really no "norm" to how heavy psychadelic use will effect you. it all depends on the person.

 

well i have done it around 30 times over the last 8 months... and have found that LSD improves some aspects of your brain but affects others.

for instance, now i approach problems from perspectives that i had never even considered, and i am also much more interested in learning. moreover in subjects like math and the sciences, which are mostly about understanding, i have improved a lot.
BUT i will have to admit that i have a harder time remembering details when i read books and long articles. perhaps because my brain is getting used to analyzing information faster... idk.
I have overcome this problem by reading more meticulously, which, in the long run, this has increased my appreciation for literature.

i will also like to add, that i have become much more appreciative of music and art...



(btw im a high school student, and valedictorian of my class... just to prove that this drug doesn't make u retarded like the general population thinks)

 

to whoever said that no research on psychedelics has been done in 40 years I just wanna correct this statement. Nature and Science have published some stuff since 2000 thats going on right now. Some of its going on at Harvard. Unfortunatly most of the studies are more about looking at psychedelics as treatments for certain pathologies and there are no studies being done on physiology/mechanisms of action and really molecular biological type stuff. This is the research that has to be done to really answer what the original poster was asking I think, and none is going on right now that I know of which is really sad because nowdays the science exists to figure all this shit out once and for all.

While this theory has no scientific proof to back it up I have kind of always just thought that molecules that are more structurally similar to the endogenous substrate of the receptors they bind to would be safer. LSD is a big fucking molecule compared to serotonin. DMT and psilocybin are much closer to serotonin. make your own assumptions but i think the more similar the drug is to the normal substrate the more similar or "natural" the conformational change that it causes to the protien is going to be and might not move shit out of place.

to be honest I have kind of always thought that the government doesn't allow this type of research to be done because it will come out that some crazy drugs are no more harmless to your brain (physically) than serotonin and the main fighting point of the war on drugs that they will make you stupid will fail in those cases. hopefully somebody steps up somewhere else in the world in this arena of research just like is happening with stem cells right now. I'm telling you with this religious christian based government we got the US is going to get left in the dust with certain areas of medicine and science. drugs are evil, stem cells are killing babies, don't fuck with any of it or you'll go to hell. (sarcasm)

 

you are taking a mind altering substance so of course something changes in your mind. weather if its positive or negative is up to the person. I believe its how that person takes the experiance and either learns from and grows from it or takes nothing away but a few hours of being out of it.

the key is knowing your body and mind, and knowing when dosing is right for you.

 

i don't know if it's the foster pint I had with a few bud hits or what but this was some good reading. :cheers2:

alooojah!

 

I would dare to say that more inteligent you are before LSD, less "damage" you will have after tripping, specially in the long run. All the damage I saw with people after LSD, happens to naturaly less inteligent people, because for a simple reason that it confuses them, and if they were not sure who they were and what they belived before acid, chances are that they will be even more confused after. In other words, depends from the person will there be damage or not. I must also add that there can be more damage for young people because they are still searching for who they are, and if you mess up with their picture of the world, they might loose confidence and again be confused and have problems to continue development in a "normal" way, and I guess you can call that damage. But, on the other side, if you give acid to inteligent, mentaly stable person who knows who he is, he can only benefit from it, it will give him chances to see the world from different perspectives, and imporove in whatever area he is interested. I know that OP was thinking about physical damage, but I must say that any physical damage is in fact damage caused by our mind, consciously or uncosciously. I know that after every trip I feel like newborn, I am 34 and still playing soccer, IT manager in multi national company, and yet I even don't know how many times I tripped. I can say that my memory is still improving, I never felt that it was damaged by lsd, on the contrary, i started remembering things that happened when I was 3-4 years old. But, I did see some people damaged by LSD. I will compare it to some conventional medicine that doctors are prescribing for certain illnes, but if person got sick liver, they can't prescribe that medicine because it can further damage their liver and kill them. It is the same with LSD, if you have healthy mind, you can only benefit, but if not, you are definitely there for a hell of a ride, witch usualy "damage" people, short or long term.

 

yar good analogy w/ liver

 

I agree with a lot of what has been said in the last few posts. Thanks for your thoughts and time

 

yes good, as long as remember one is physical and one is psychological, not always relating to the same standards.

aloooha! :cheers2::cheers2:

 

the idea that when we go to heal one organ we must make sure that our treatment does not crunk up another

 

There is not enough evidence in either way that really proves or disproves that doing acid in causes long term damage.

I would say anyone who abuses it on a regular basis could have some pretty long term side effects. But most people who abuse one thing abuse many things. Do anything enough, its going to have a harmful effect on you, period.