capturing nitrous oxide

so I want to make some nitrous oxide with sodium nitrite, but I want to collect a pretty large amount and compress it in a tank. Anybody got any ideas on how I could go about doing this?

 

Call Gandalf.

 

dont think you have the chemistry correct.. Ammonium nitrate is boiled under pressure releasing nitrous oxide. Highly sophisticated and explosive.

 

NH3OH + Cl- + NaNO2 --> N2O + NaCl + H2O

fuck working with explosives.

you heat sodium nitrite + water, then add hydroxylammonium chloride in a flask with a tube attached, heat and stir, and bubble the nitrous oxide through water or ethanol, then collect it in a balloon or a gas sampling bag. No hot fertilizers required.

My only question is this: How do you pump gas out of a large balloon into a pressurized medical oxygen tank?

 

i'm curious what makes you want to make it yourself rather than just buy it?

 

Yeah it is easy to get especially if you are on the east coast of the USA. $100 bucks will get much more then one person needs.

 

Don't! It's dangerous. Just get the whipped cream canisters.

If you must: If the balloon is sturdy enough you can apply pressure with a workbench clamp/ glue clamp combination. It doesn't seem like a very efficient way to go, though.

 

modify inlet with nipple large enough for balloon seal

modify tank to accept schreader valve

offer meth head 5 bucks an hour to pump

 

Nitrous Oxide = de-myelination of your nerve cells, and also Olneys lesions.

 

"Nitrous Oxide has been shown to cause vacuolization in rats' brains, but caused no irreversible lesions."
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.neuroscience.2003.07.012

interesting idea.

 

my uneducated opinion:

sounds like a lot of hassle a potentially greater risk than you realize for something that you can just buy pretty cheaply. advise against

 

do the reaction in a vacuum flask or other suitabe vessel. run tubing to an air compressor to compress it into a tank, you will not be able to get extremely high pressure tho.

use a dry ice/acetone bath for the receiving tank you are putting the nitrous oxide into while you are compressing it, this will lower the pressure in the tank and allow the compressor to stuff more molecules in until it reaches the maximum pressure it is capable of. when it warms up the pressure at room temp will be much greater.

use a triple necked flask with addition funnel if you can, this way you can slowly add more reagents to the flask at the same time you are running the air compressor. this way you can slowly add as the reagents are consumed.

not sure about the reaction you are planning to do, but put ample reactants in the flask, what you put in the addition funnel will be the limiting factor, that way you can control the speed at which the reaction proceeds using the valve on the addition funnel.

probably safer in more than one way just to buy it, but some people enjoy a good "cook" once in a while. i love fuckin with some chemicals ... it kindavfeels like its time for a DMT extraction

 

lol

 

With a normal hand bike pump, you should be able to get in excess of 100PSI before it becomes too hard to pump.

Make a setup that puts the collection bag/reservoir in line, so it goes source>balloon>pump>storage, then pump it out when the balloon fills.


...but do you really want to be doing that shit? It sounds a lot more fun to make than to take. I've long considered it somewhat harmless (because you know, those super-trustworthy doctors use it) and have planned to do it, but when it came right down to it, I've had 20 whippits sitting for years now, without the balls to do it - having stuff dissolving all the lipids in your brain just doesn't seem so healthy, you know... I like drugs, but I really value my brain, and I think there's lots of better drugs to save my mental faculties for. I don't want another "why did I do that shit" substance like DXM on my list.

 

if you chill the receiving vessel to sub-zero, as with an acetone/dry ice bath you will be able to pump more in ... ideal gas law

 

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Yeah, of course, the addition funnel, why didn't I think of it..... sitting right there by my collection of triple necked flasks.

 

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...and yeah I used to really like nitrous, but I'm not that into it anymore.

as for the brain lipids issue, I think it has to do with B12, which is needed for the synthesis of myelin . Nitrous oxide oxidizes the Cobalt cation on B12 and inactivates it, which leads to toxicity if you already have a vitamin B12 deficiency. The oxidization is apparently irreversible, but the B12 can be replaced. I think it's a matter of taking B12 when you do nitrous. Possibly more trouble than its worth, but there ya go

https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/nitrous/nitrous_health2.shtml
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2614651/

 

Well that's something to do with one of it's harms.

I was referring to the fact that it is soluble in fat... or the reverse, whichever.

It happily moves through everything without respecting blood brain barriers, cell walls, or anything else - dissolves right through it all, just like if your skull was a can whipped cream.

 

...allowing it to oxidize things, which is primarily a problem when it comes to oxidization of B12. Anyways, I totally see what you mean. I never really did a lot of nitrous, but if I ever did more than 5-10 whippets I would feel pretty fuzzy the next day. It's kinda like the cigarettes of psychedelic drugs. Chronic use is obviously bad for you, but one or two can be pleasurable and OK if you don't end up going full steve-o on it.