Captalism Doesn't Sleep

Capitalism is an oppressive system built on free enterprise and individual rights. This deceptively suggests that this system is economically and socially progressive. Nevertheless, it benefits the selfish interest of a few, the elites of the world, and damages the welfare of everyone else. Base on Karl Marx's theory on surplus value, a capitalist sole interest is to make a profit, which leads to stealing value through labor and production. As a result, capitalism has led to an inequity effect on the social system. It has widened the gap between "the haves" and the "the have-nots" and the propagated limitless greed for the upper echelon.

Capitalism creates disparity. The American mantra, "anyone can get rich if they work hard enough," is for the most part, a fallacy. There's only so much room at the top. In order to have money, the first step is to take if from someone else. This means that the rich cannot exist without the exploited. No matter how you look at it, there will never be equality under this system.

When resources are not evenly distributed, this leads to the wealthy having an unnecessary surplus of resources. Starvation among the poor and wasted food among the rich, is the end game. While rarely these surpluses are distributed to the poor, often this excess is squandered. Countless dollars worth of food is wasted by those who have more than they need. Many, in less developed nations, are famished because they cannot afford to feed themselves at a capitalist table.

Under a capitalist system, an anti-socialist atmosphere is created. When people are only concerned about what's in their own pocket, they will avoid helping others, as their focus is self-centered and self-serving. The value of a human life depreciates in this system. Capitalists increase their profits thought the use of self-checkouts, assembly lines, automated tellers and other robotics. The need for skilled laborers decreases. In fact, one doesn't find much direct human interaction anymore. The effects include an altered modern culture, a computerized artificial state. People would rather interact on social media than via direct contact.

Capitalists are so concerned with their margins that they are willing to cut any corners that will decrease the cost of production. This often generates environmental hazards and health and safety risks. This leads to pollution and welfare issues. It costs these corporations far less to "pay off" the families of those who have died in manufacturing accidents in a civil lawsuit than to implement proper safety measures. Additionally, insufficient training has repeatedly resulted in injuries and even death. It should not be hard to convince people not to kill themselves, however, this is exactly what corporations do as they decline to put in action, environmental measures that will cut into their profit margins.

Capitalism turns a blind eye to democracy. In a democracy, an individual has a single vote. In a "dollarocracy," citizens have very little influence on the actions of the government. The real impact on the government, greater than any ideology or public opinion, comes from Park Avenue. Government officials are morel likely to cater to big businesses and banks in order to meet the needs of their election campaigns. These politicians will give more weight to big media moguls due to their influence on public opinion than the everyday protester. Therefore, we have a government that is up for sale to the highest bidder.

Capitalism breeds exploitation, economic disparity, selfishness, hyper-competitiveness and consumerism. It has changed the very outlook of humanity. Riches have become an important measure of status. It has led to the moral degeneration of man. Clearly, capitalism has failed to bring about the moral development of man. Ethics are fading fast. Capitalism has brought detrimental effects to society. It has proven to be a cures to humanity instead of a blessing.

In countries where the capitalist system of production prevails, the masses of the people are forced down to the condition of workers who are systematically separated from their tools, instruments and skills of production, so that, they cannot produce nothing by their own efforts and they are therefore subject to the position of mere consumers and dependent as slaves to the few rich and powerful capitalists.

The elite affluent oppressors, a small group of property holders, "capitalists' and landlords, who alone, possess the most important sources of livelihood, the executive or private ownership of which (enables & invest) them with the power to enslave and subjugate the class of property-less and to exploit them.

While the majority of the people, sink into ever deeper in want and misery, this small group of capitalists and landlords seek to gain enormous wealth and profits seeking to take advantage of human beings and nature, destroying and depleting the earth of its resources and of the poor, of their livelihood. They care not of the wretched, miserable condition of the poor and impoverished, their only concern is gain and profits.

To protect the rich and famous, military expenses of the great world-states have increased incredibly and to and insult to injury, the state is becoming constantly more expensive, its monetary burdens ever heavier. Capitalists and the landowners try everywhere to force these money burdens upon the poor classes.

LABOR FOR CHANGE!

"And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch out of his roots: And the Spirit of YHWH shall rest upon him, the sipirt of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;...

WITH RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL HE JUDGE THE POOR, and reprove with EQUITY for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he SLAY THE WICKED." Isaiah 11:1,2,4

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Socialism is worse than capitalism by far. What we have in America today is not capitalism by any stretch of the imagination -- at least not true capitalism. The fact is that all monied systems which are hierarchical -- which also pertains to socialism and communism -- are oppressive vehicles of control by the few over the many. I might take this thread a little more seriously if it wasn't nothing more than a rallying call for socialism. Socialism is nothing more than the dialectical antithesis to capitalism, but at the top it's still the same psychopaths in control.

So when did you become a cheerleader for communism? Not long ago you seemed to have somewhat of a clue. I must say I am somewhat disappointed to read this rather sophomoric claptrap.

Prove to me that socialism and communism are not elite tools of tyrannical conquest and I might consider some of what you're saying.

And please do not call me a proponent of capitalism, because I am not. I realize that capitalism and socialism/communism are merely two sides to the same coin.

 

OK, so what system can be implemented that will be better? And how would it transition in? One of the reasons the US took almost 80 years to finally rid the nation of slavery was because an instant transition would have created economic chaos which would have left the nation open to defeat from an outside nation. Such an economic collapse would likely have led to dwindling resources and certain death for citizens and slaves alike.

In modern times we are in a far more complicated situation and switching to a different one could take decades. That would not likely bode well for the people who think our current system needs to go. They generally want instant changes, not incremental. So how would you flip the switch on the US economy?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w-0JDLhvZY

 

Also be good if you didnt just regurgitate Marx

Come up with something yourself or someone more recent

i.e not just what you read in some Uni textbook

 

Funny how just below the communist hammer and sickle in his avatar is the Jewish menorah, since communism was almost entirely Jewish from its inception and was funded by the Rothschild lead central banks of the US and England.

 

Rat

Warning - no conspiracy theory rubbish in politics

 

And who are you to say what's "conspiracy theory rubbish" and what's not?

 

About the first sentence: aren't socialism and capitalism just labeling terms at first. Doesn't it depend in reality on the systems with socialistic or capitalistic tendencies wether one is worse than the other? If you think not, why does it seem so absolute to you?

 

LOL rat if it’s you and you mention the Rothschild’s then by its very definition it is "conspiracy theory rubbish"

 

Some posts are less rubbish than others. No I'm not gonna look them up

 

Socialism and capitalism do not have to be mutually exclusive. The most sensible approach to me seems to be a capitalistic system that supports and encourages small business and a strong middle class with social programs to encourage an educated populace and to ensure the middle class does not plummet into poverty of they get sick or if some other disaster happens.

The Marxist dribble in the OP does make me groan a little

 

I don't care for the Capitalistic way of depending on limited resources for the continuation of the system itself. It will have to end. I think anyone can see that, if depletion of resources should continue unabated as is presently the case. A new system? There still would be humans
in charge and given that----what would actually change from most other human formed hierarchies that have come and gone? Probably not much.
It may not seem as if humans are like children, taking into consideration the advances in science, medicine, and other areas of life that have
been discovered and utilized for SOME, but I can't see much difference in childrens play yard scuffles for some trifling issues, than the continual dick shaking that goes on between so-called leaders/grownups in the human milieu.
The present earth-run systems allow/cause horrible deprivations, starvation, murders, dislocations, mass migration(as in Europe now), and the way I see it is that humanity took a wrong turn somewhere back in history, when the NEED for domination of the many by the few seemed feasible and correct and unfortunately has continued into the present day. On it goes.

The answer/s? I sure don't know, but I can see that something is very wrong, when some humans have no access to health care, some are starving,being murdered and generally being visited upon with human caused mayhem.
And the band plays on. If I had a magic wand I could fix shit up. I seem to have misplaced it somewhere. I mean--what would it take to actually create and maintain a reasonable, equatable, reasonably happy, healthy (everyone!) planet full of humans and other sentient beings??

I reckon a HUGE paradigm change in the basic idea of what it is to be human and what are the ideas that would bring about an ameliorative change?? And WHY should there BE any change.

 

Why? The Rothschilds wield more power than anyone else in the global financial system. There is nothing conspiratorial about this.

 

There shouldn't be any wealthy socialists or communists right? I mean, isn't that the whole point? And yet, what do we see? Fawning for a system that has never actually reached the goals of their promoters. Sure, THEY live well. But what about the rest?

 

100% spot on! Socialism is a tool of the weathly because it consolidates power and wealth into the hands of a few people under the guise that they're going to use that wealth to redistribute it, therefore creating some utopian society where everyone is equal. Of course it never works this way, and it never will because it was never the intention. But it must always be sold to the masses in a utopian light to get them to go along with it, essentially feeding into their own eventual enslavement.

 

This whole thread smells like 1975, when everybody either owned a big factory or worked in one.

 

Even back then, and I remember those days well, factory owners were part of the 1%. What we have fewer of these days are the factory workers. Of course shipping over 40,000 factories to China and building so many new ones in Mexico could be part of that. I can appreciate efforts to help the rest of the world gain economic strength, but what use is that if the US goes bankrupt in the process? Ands really, who gains from this? Not the workers in any of these nations.

In 1975 I had a 67 Mustang, but at that point it was considered to be just an old car driven by a dorky teenager. A year later I discovered Disco which saved my adolescent sex life.

 

Good questions! I will hopefully be able to unfold more material here to help at least shed some light on those things. For now I would say stay tuned and also that slavery is much still alive today and it knows no color (it never has). Also contact me for more information.

To answer this question we would first have to examine who in America felt they had lost freedom, in contrast to those who never had it. The American Revolution was about how the American colonist united together to fight against the oppressive regime of Britain. What people fail to remember is that many people were already oppressed before the war of independence in 13 colonies, as well as afterwards.

Many would say the Stamp Act of 1764 was an oppressive tax which was an act of extortion on all British goods bought by the colonists. Although this is true, what about the extortion of labor from the African slaves and the European immigrants (Indentured servants) imposed by the American Elites? The American Revolution was about independence for the American bourgeoisie class, not the chattel bondmen, indentured servant, or the wage slaves.

People fail to remember at this time the majority of whites were landless just like the Negro slaves. Also at this time the landless whites, women, indentured servants, and Negroes were all different shades of the lower class. During the 18th century landless whites were denied equal rights with the bourgeoisie class and were not allowed to vote! Landless whites did not gain the right to vote in South Carolina until 1856! This is almost 100 years after the states received independence form Britain! The majority of Europeans have always been oppressed in America. European immigrants who were not indentured by the British usually were tricked into serving longer time periods, in order to pay back the shipping company for their ride to the states. Once in the states, the immigrant did not have much to bargain with, seeing he or she had no way back to their homeland, and was taken advantage of by oppressive American redemptioneers.

Gottfried Duden (German Immigrant) wrote a letter in the 19th century about European immigrants who came to the states and sold themselves to redemptioneers to pay off their debt. "The poor Europeans who think they have purchased the land of their desires by the hardships endured during the journey across the sea are enslaved 5, 7, or more years for a sum that any vigorous day laborer earns within six months. The wife is separated form the husband, the children from the parents, perhaps never to see each other again" (Duden, 1829). As we can see from Duden's experience even after so called Independence Day, European immigrants were treated like slaves and livestock.

In the early 17th century, before racism and social engineering in the colonies begun to form into what we know it as today, white and black indentured servants saw themselves as oppressed brothers. This can be seen in the case of John Punch an African Indentured servant who escaped with two European servants (Victor, and James) in order to free themselves from their oppressive master, Hugh Gwyn (July 9th, 1640, Virginia Governor council). John Punch was also believed to be married to a white indentured servant.

Before this time, racism in the States seemed almost nonexistent! The only segregation that persisted was the bourgeoisie class against the laborers. After the John Punch case, and events like Bacon's rebellion, where many blacks and white servants would join forces, laws were created to suppress proletariat uprisings. Such laws like Virginia's 1662 "Partus sequitur ventrem", the slave codes of Alabama, and many others, were made to segregate the black servants from the whites. These laws caused "white pride" or privileges given to white servants, which initiated racism and segregation as we know it today. The bourgeoisie class used racism, a tool of social engineering to divide and conquer by separating the laboring class.

"Marquis de Chastellux" traveling through Virgina in 1782, said "For the first time in his three years in America, in the midst of those rich plantations, he often saw miserable huts...inhabited by whites whos wan looks and ragged garments bespeak poverty."

It seemed clear to him that the cause of this poverty was the engrossment of land by the plantation bourgeoisie. The impoverished included those landless European Americans previously noted who stayed in eastern Virginia but with "little but their complexion to console them" (Allen, 1997).

The rich always exploited the poor, this also fueled hatred of blacks, seeing that poor free landless whites had to compete against unpaid slave laborers. This drew a greater wedge between the laboring class, which is exactly what the American bourgeoisie wanted.

While today people celebrate the Independence of on bourgeoisie class form another, they fail to remember that July 4th does not represent the poor masses of America, who till this day have been exploited and always had taxation without representation. Nowadays, not only are people still landless, but are forced to pay for food, water, shelter (taxes included). The majority of landless Americans barely are paid enough to afford the bare necessities of life, due to exploitation and wage slavery. Today, America has become a living nightmare with the pursuit of happiness- a dream come true for a few, but an illusion for many.

Hey Rat. According to your understanding what is true capitalism?

I will say that according to what I understand the world has never seen true socialism or communism. Not once in Russia or China, so I agree oppressive control over the many by the few can exist under any label given. People are people. Matter of fact, the "communism" Russia and China saw was simply state controlled capitalism without free market participation. The difference in the USA is that anyone with capital to advance can capitalize.

I'm sorry to disappoint, but my intention is not to please. My view has grown significantly from studying here and there, and by no means will I claim to be an expert on any thing presented here, though I am convinced. We each walk according to our understanding at the end of the day.

I would say that just like the inherent oppression found in capitalism, the same can be found in the nations that were so called 'socialist/communist'. So I am talking about something different, something more just and genuine. A true life.

What I mean by socialism and communism must be considered free of the examples that have been shown to us and free of Western basis toward Capitalism and against a communist (community/unity of people) state of people.

We only have to carefully study. I would without hesitation recommend Karl Marx's Kapital volume one. Don't run. Everyone would do well to read it. He was not a monster nor apart of some Illuminati, this is extremely sure.

Allow me to take up some of your time and we can dialog more.

Where do we turn? We turn not to Western Christian dogma, or other world religions. We turn to the Creator and his message to the oppressed; free from the capitalist Christian. We turn to each other and unite against the world's oppressive systems found in world states. What does the true body of the true Creator want us to understand?

We are asking for the participation of all who are tired of the suffering and the oppression, the injustice and inequality inflicted upon the poor from the so-called upper classes, or the rich elite & the state. The governing bodies of the 'empires' have their politicians, judges, military and police everywhere, but it seems as if there is 'justice' nowhere. The educational apparatus have persuaded many to join the ranks in the chase for money. So many desire to sit at the table with the affluent, and turn their backs on the masses of the people who suffer while the rich and upper class live good off the labor, blood, sweat and tears of the downtrodden.

You and I must not fail to take heed to the cry of the people who fall victim to the systemic injustice and inequality that we see in our face today. There is a job to be done, especially for the working class. There is a responsibility and a potential power in the hands of the working classes. All of you who are entering in or seeking to enter into the work force, such as high school grads, or GED grads, college students, trade apprentices, interns, those of us in work programs - all the above, could be valuable assets in the struggle for justice and equality.

There was a blue collar worker that organized the wage workers and defended the cause of the downtrodden, the poor, oppressed, sick and needy, he was arrested and executed while laboring in the the redemptive struggle for humanity. This blue collar worker, was the people's prophet. His popularity was great among the poor masses. This man was the voice of the people when he confronted the ruling classes, he fought against the injustice toward the masses of the people, he spoke out against the government officials and the upper classes, because they lived good and the majority of the people suffered (Luke 12:16-21; Luke 16:19-21; Lk. 18:18-22).

This blue collar worker was Jesus of Nazareth, he was a "craftsman" a skilled tradesman (Mark 6:3). This blue collar worker, Jesus, was confronted by one of the rich ruling class elites, and as it was recorded in a fragment on a scroll entitled "The Gospel to the Hebrews" it reads "And Jesus said to him, 'If you will be whole-hearted, go sell all that you have and give to the poor...'

'He said unto him: Go, sell all that you own, and distribute it unto the poor, and come, follow me. But the rich man began to scratch his head, and it pleased him not. And the Lord said unto him: How say you: I have kept the Law and the Prophets? For it is written in the Torah: You shall love your neighbor as yourself and lo, many of your brothers, sons of Abraham, are clad in filth,dying for hunger, and your house is full of any good things, and nothing at all goes out of it unto them'

The real historical Jesus did not give the people a message that will cause them to be inactive, to sit and 'do nothing', or lay down, close your eyes and "pray" and hope to fly off in the clouds to "heaven". We must take notice that the folks who taught us that "lie", to look for the pie in the sky, have our hard earned money (or our loved ones hard earned money), in their pockets and bank accounts, living in big beautiful homes, with pricey cars and some have private jets. What is to be done about this?

Jesus and his companions or disciples, were blue collar workers, proactive for the masses of people who were suffering the misery of inequality, poverty and the lack of justice. Nevertheless, the activist who followed Jesus and did his works, were hunted down in the city streets, towns and villages. They were arrested, put in jail and many suffered capital punishment by the hands the upper classes. The ruling elite used the state and federal governments to try and destroy them (the followers of Jesus), the disciples were hard working people who wanted justice, but they were arrested. However the movement of Jesus had started, stood strong, in the face of the "Government/Empire".

Today the empires of the world have gone to great lengths to hide the message and activity of the working class activist who followed the movement of Jesus (Christ) of Nazareth. In each generation, there is a call, deep down in the soul of some people, to be active for this movement (Karl Marx for example), they know that things are not right, they see the upper class laugh and dine at dinner parties, while they hold many people in a position of suffering and poverty.

We need answers, so we can address these issues. We have found that the Bible is a library of literature, that contains within it, a blue print that will lead to freedom, justice, equity and relief from poverty. The Bible isn't literature that teach us to close our eyes and get on your knees and "do nothing" so you can go to heaven one day, it is a blue print that leads to justice on earth. Let us open our eyes, after we pray- let's get on the move, the front line of the battle is hot! Stand up! So the corrupt religious & political leaders can no longer have their hands in our pockets, fooling us and using us for their own personal gain& advantages! Jesus of Nazareth's brother, James, also was an activist, his message to those who ruled over the people unjustly was this:

James Chapter 5

Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. You riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth eaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire, Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

Jesus, the people's prophet from Nazareth, called on the working class people to do a job: bring your skills and resources to the table. Commitment, courage and dedication is needed. For further info, and if you want to help in the work, contact the NMP. Bring your questions- all of them (see original post).

 

Let's give that in this context we are dealing with "pure" capitalism and socialism. They are two different modes of production and therefore will have different social outputs.

While I am not here to promote Karl Marx the man, but rather the profound justice in his work. I will quote him and you can take away from what is being said.

"My view is that each particular mode of production, and the relations of production corresponding to it at each given moment, in short 'the economic structure of society', is the 'the real foundation, on which arises a legal and political superstructure and to which correspond definite forms of social consciousness', and that 'the mode of production of material life conditions the general process of social, political and intellectual life"

We have never seen the revelations in Marx's work materialize in any nation (Russia for example).

He simply gave a devastating critique of capitalism, more specifically political economy.

At the end of the day we are not fighting for labels and names. We are fighting for justice, equality and equity for all people. This is the struggle picked up by Gandhi, Che, Lenin, Hampton, King, Mao, Jesus, Moses and countless nameless.