Cant remember the name or site of what im looking for

it was a chart that compared bioavailability of opioids by IV IR IM.. anyone help me out?

 

Hehe, I think that I've found it atriot::
http://forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-16766.html

 

no,.. but thanks anyways.. it was posted either in this forum or the pharmaceutical forum awhile back

 

n/m i found it.. it was as easy as searching for "chart" i self doubted and figured i wouldnt find it with such vagueness

 

I couldn't find it.

This link has some info. and links to good conversion charts.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=286899

 

this is a simple calculator to convert doses from one to the other

http://www.globalrph.com/narcoticonv.htm

 

i know exactly what site you are referring to, but i've been looking for it for forever, since i found it the last time.

i wish i wasn't oped up when i found it last time because i might have done the smart thing and BOOKMARKED THE DAMN PAGE lol

 

haha awesome, so I'm not the only one who has found that

When I first discovered that I just played around with it lol.

 

Remember guys, that is for analgesia, not for buzz...so it doesn't help too much unless you are looking for ONLY pain relief conversions.

 

Ah, yes... +1

 

yes i know, but its better then nothing for dose conversion

 

It's better then nothing, but it really doesn't work well if you are trying to actually convert buzz vs. buzz....

It's actually really off if you think about it. Try a couple conversions yourself, of things you have done. You will see what I mean...it's WAY off in terms of buzz.

Take for instance Fentanyl. It has AMAZING analgesia potential, and the most MINUSCULE amount will relieve pain, but it will take much more to actually give you a buzz. The conversion from Oxycodone to Fentanyl and visa versa is alllllll fucked up.

Not to mention, that converter doesn't have most of the ROA's that WE use, haha.

 

thats true, but if you have nothing to base it on you atleast have a starting point to discover your proper dose.

 

Yeah, I've used it for that, a starting point, I just want to make it clear that it's analgesia, not buzz. When I first found this, I didn't realize that, because I never read anything, lol.

 

haha well it doesn't take to long to figure that one out

 

i dunno some of it relatively converts to buzz worthy ness.. i'd have to look back exactly but.. im pretty sure it has dilly about 2-3X stronger than oxy.. and opana about 4-6X stronger than oxy.. which are both relatively correct in my experiences

 

^If you are already high it does.

Haha.

 

Dilly = 2 to 3 times stronger then oxy, but how would you convert that buzz wise? You have to take into account bioavailability, and route of administration to. Dillys have HORRIBLE oral bioavailability.

If dilly is 2 times stronger, then 10mg of Dilly would equal 5mg of Oxycodone, which is not even close to correct...

That's what I mean, it's really hard to work it out, because of the BA and ROA factors.

 

2-3x stronger would mean 10mg of dilly would approximently be about 20-30mg of oxy

 

im talkin about IN