Cannibalism

Thats a great argument for NOT being a vegetarian.

Actually, scavenger animals do it... As for people choosing to do it... people can choose any stupid action they wish.

Eating animals that 'died' is a good way to die yourself...

Of course, this is all from the point of view of someone who doesn't impose 'hard to follow' ideals that they would give up when it got hard...

This is from the point of view who chooses where he stands from a point of being honest with themself... I don't need to be put into a life or death situation to admit that my survival comes before the survival of an animal (human or not) that would sustain me...

To claim... "THIS, I believe, unless its life or death, is POSING and hypocritical."

Let me try to put this in a different frame for you...

Is it okay to kill humans?

How about if I hold a gun to your head and tell you that either you shoot them, or I shoot you?

Is it okay for you to kill that person then?

 

why? there's nothing wrong with guessing

if i was the person i'd like to be, i would let you shoot me

i will not know if i am that person until you test me

pm me for my street address, bring your own gun . . .

 

Think it's a survival thing. We need to have boundaries that we easily comprehend so as to make our survival more likely. If we acknowledge that human flesh is sacred and cannot be consumed then it offers us some protection and a common understanding that we look out for our own and that there is some civility amongst us. It keeps us sane and happier and that should make our passing and thus survival easier. However, In theory I guess eating human would be no different than any other animal.

 

I'm not sure what this refers to... What I meant, was saying, why make life harder then it has to be is a great argument for not being a vegetarian. Why go through the bother of making sure that you eat only vegetable matter (or fruit or whatever) if it isn't an ideal you would stick to when it actually would mean something?

I raise animals in a healthy and happy manner, let them run around and do as they please, give them as much food as they wish to eat, and then one day when they are happily wandering along munching the food I give them, I will kill them and then enjoy eating them...

And you know what? I don't feel the slightest bit bad about it. Although the actually killing and cleaning of them does bother me, it doesn't bother me nearly as much as eating meat that someone else did it to.

As for eating humans... considering what most humans eat, I would rather not eat them... However, if you wish to set up a free range pasture for some, with a gate that is set up to only let those who can think and figure a way out on their own and change the laws, I would GLADLY eat the stupid ones who remained trapped over the other animals.

Even if I had your address, I wouldn't want to test you, either way, I would lose in it... lol

Just so you don't think I was being unfair by asking that... in such a situation, if I truly believed that the person holding the gun to my head would shoot me if I didn't kill that person AND that they wouldn't kill me if I did... Then I would shoot the other person in a second... assuming it wasn't someone I cared about of course.

Chances are though, I wouldn't believe the person was capable of shooting me, or at least not fatally to the point that I couldn't shoot them first.

 

by guessing, i mean in terms of all right and wrong being a guess

i guess that it's less right to eat meat than not

you guess that it's okay, and that's fine with me

i would add that i respect the ethical rancher [such as, i'm guessing, yourself] or hunter [such as my friend l.m.] far more than the robots buying ground beef at the market

one of my main reasons for being a vegetarian is that i cannot bring myself to kill

so how can i ethically eat what others have killed for me? i really cannot

on the other hand, this world is full of compromises - were we not able to make them, we'd all probably be dead by now

so, when i cook my own meals, i apply my ethics

when my wife is cooking, i eat what i am told to eat

 

oh, one more thing, people die all the time from eating perfectly "normal" food

life's a crapshoot...

 

I have absolutely zero negative to say about a decision like that... Both Nicole and I DO NOT like killing our animals (only chickens so far)... in fact, I can't name one thing here other then that, that I would rather not do...

But, I like to eat chicken (and pork, beef, and pretty much any other type of meat, in moderation), therefore I put that aside and give the chickens the best life I can and do my best to make sure they don't suffer anymore then necessary when I kill them.

And you know what? Chicken that you raise, kill and cook yourself, taste a million times better then anything you will ever find in a store or restaurant.

My 10 year old daughter even helped kill and clean one this year, and then helped eat it that night.

 

lol... we had a chicken that for some reason, layed down and froze to death instead of climbing up the ramp that it had climbed up every night for the last 6 months.

Why would it do this? I don't know... chickens on the best day are the stupidest creature on the planet... It didn't seem sick during the day... it seemed perfectly fine... Chances are, it decided to take a nap on an icy patch and froze there and couldn't get free... and chances are, it would have been perfectly fine to eat...

I burned it...

Why, you ask?

For the same reason I wouldn't risk my life on a game of craps...

 

i can only assume that you do not have cats . . .

 

How is it being a poser it is making use of something that has no use? I am against killing living things, it would be stupid and non-logical of me to say we should waste something that has a use.

 

We have cats and dogs... If I wouldn't eat something because I am not sure it's healthy, why would I feed it to my other animals?

Where did I say we should waste something that has a use?

If you mean dead animals you find... because that is not something you can use and be safe. Unless you KNOW why it died (or killed it yourself), you have absolutely no clue what disease it may have had.

 

what do you feed them?

i don't know about you, but most rural folks i know let their pets outside for extended periods of time

what do they eat then?

i guess i'm less cautious in this regard - plants can be unhealthy as well, and i still have dreams of going to india some day . . .

 

At the moment, they eat commercial pet food (not cheap stuff). As time goes on and we have more animals here, we will start making their food here. Even then though, although animals may be part of that food... found dead critters will not be, and everything will be cooked. (getting animals on a farm used to raw meat is a bad bad idea).

I don't understand what the plants being unhealthy and india have to do with each other...

And yes, plants can be unhealthy too, and I wouldn't eat a plant I just found dead in the bush either.

 

It would complete the cycle of nutrients though, wouldn't it. hmmm. This brings a new meaning to environmentalism.

 

I'd eat other people if I had to. Survival.

 

that's probably true

i just got back from the store, buying 20 pounds of chickens to feed my brood for the week - raw, ground, frozen [kills salmonella], thawed, mixed with crappy canned food which apparently tastes good and has taurine to make up for lack of organ meats in crappy store chickens

but they don't go out . . .

oh, just a joke about vegetarianism under unsanitary conditions . . .

 

agreed

all food is sacred

agreed?

 

Why did you avoid my question? It was a simple question. I didn't say you said that we should waste something that has a use. But so far by what I can tell that is what you are saying. When people that go to a store and buy meat have no idea how it died and what its living conditions where and what diseases it might carry.

 

Biological entities are bio-degradable. Besides, we'd probably poo em out anyways lol. (I figured I'd say it since cannibalism is a bit grewse) Do other species eat their own tho? I'm not sure, but there's a big difference between being animalistic and being human. Well, maybe not much... there are some sick and more-so selfish, ignorant people out there. Cannibalism tho... I'm a cannibal! I eat crackers all the tiiiiime! :biggrinjester:

 

Maybe because your question had no fucking relevence...

Stating that meat bought in stores can carry diseases the same as found dead ones is fucking retarded unless you live somewhere that they sell roadkill in stores...

Pointing that we don't know what living conditions they were raised under to someone who had just finished saying that same thing as the reason they prefer to raise their own, is even more retarded then the first part.

You original question which you claim I didnt answer was;

How does that question apply to this conversation?

Where did I say that making use of something that has no use is being a poser.

You are asking me to explain something YOU PICKED OUT OF THE FUCKING AIR...

Now, either restate your question for me, about something I said, or stop insisting I ignored your stupid assed fucking question.