cannabis users against prop 19?

jay walking..

 

So you've just disproved the benefit of decriminalizing. If they do that where you are and it's decriminalized there, than what good is that?

 

human beings can get intoxicated on many things.. why is marijuana singled out?..

 

In the case of this thread (and many others) it's been singled out as a subject of reference. Otherwise this would be a thread about nothing

Also, others drugs don't yet have a prop in their favour.

 

To the idiots who go "it won't be fun if it's not illegal", first of all, you're a worthless piece of shit, and second of all, it will be more heavily controlled and will have heavier penalties in many ways after prop19. That, however, is no reason that it should not pass, we need everything we can get, and legal pot is very much in our favor, even if it's not perfect yet.

 

And, million dollar salaries for three secretaries working for the local DA and trips to casinos. When you’re working hard busting criminals what better way to kick back and relax with trips to casinos with forfeiture related funds?
Last week during a border security conference held at the University of Texas-El Paso, UTEP, Obama Drug Czar Gil Kerlikowske informed the attendees the Obama administration will not legalize any illegal substance which includes marijuana. And why should they? The legalization of marijuana would put a serious dent in the lucrative practice of seizing cash and vehicles on highways such as Texas Highway 281. Searches and seizures which netted two Texas counties millions in cash during a seven year period between 2001 and 2008 with the former DA allegedly appropriating $4.2 million. Money which was used to ‘supplement’ salaries and pay for trips to casinos.
With these types of drug war spoils, there seems to be zero incentive to reassess the “war on drugs”, a cash cow for “underfunded” law enforcement agencies....

 

I find it a little humourous that people seem to think their electoral vote doesn't count, and yet they'll gladly vote for the legalization of cannabis

I think parts of the states would like to appear progressive, but don't actually plan to do anything big. I would like to see how much tourism rates and spending has increased in the state of California since they first discussed prop 19. I bet that was the real idea.

"Hey, oh look...California's at it again. What a cool progressive state! Hey...road trip!"

It's probably been a little easier to find pot their recently too. I doubt legalization will happen in the fall, it was probably just a ploy to get tourists to come their and spend their money.

 

Last poll had the prop slightly failing. Among registered voters it was passing, but among likely voters it was failing.

"Man, weed is never going to be legal and it's all a giant conspiracy so my vote doesn't count and I'm not going to vote"
*hits bong, turns on xbox, doesn't go and vote*
*Prop 19 fails by 200 votes*

 

Many people don't vote in federal elections because they know their vote doesn't count. How is this any different?

 

There's no such thing as a vote doesn't count. The point being is this is literally going to be the reason come November why prop 19 fails, because a lot of stoners stayed at home complaining their vote doesn't count, and they'll sit at home playing xbox while having their 19,000 conversation on how it sucks that weed is illegal.

 

You really think that the government would leave big decisions in the hands of the people, everyday average people, to vote on big issues? Come on. The idea of it makes me laugh.

 

Would you prefer Americans vote on every single issue? Cause really regardless of weed being on ballot, California does this and California is the perfect example of what happens when everyone votes on everything, the world's 12th largest economy is consistently on the verge of literally declaring bankruptcy.

 

I don't really care what they do. I'm Canadian. All I'm saying is that when it comes to most anything the goverment allows people to vote on, it's more of like a "show and tell" or "class project." Their votes don't really count. It's just a magic trick to give people the illusion that they still have some say, some control, and that their vote/opinion really does matter.

 

Yea but see you're taking the Canadian experience which historically has very referendum and also quite different from how other governments function, even other parliamentary systems since Canada follows the Westminster theory of parliamentary sovereignty. California, along with most other western states, literally just about anything can go on the ballot if it collects enough signatures. Here in New England town hall meetings where residents of the town can argue with the town council as well as demand a vote are extremely common, as they have been for the past 300 years. We don't have the same ability to initiate referendum out here as they do out west, but at the same time a good deal of government is town and county orientated. Heck Connecticut and Mass don't even have counties, we only have local town government outside of the overall state government. The federal government may be out of touch with the people due to it's size and scope, but really, most things that ever impact the daily lives of people here are down at the state or local level, which people have a good deal of ability to control and vote on.

 

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO, they can't legalize it, if they do I'll have to get a job. You selfish pricks want me to get a job just so you don't have to go to jail?!?!?

 

^ ahah =D

 

That's a really good point. I never thought of that. So how is California planning to pass over the federal law (of Cannabis being illegal) anyways? How are they going to get around that?

 

Federalism. Same way all the states with medical marijuana do it now, by telling the federal government to go fuck itself basically. It actually is going to open up a whole new case of constitutional law that is inevitably going to have to be dealt with. But yea for the past 15 years it's been basically states telling the feds to go fuck themselves. The feds can still do raids in states where it's decriminalized though.

 

That disconnect can't be good for the message they're trying to get across; unity, collective rule, etc.

 

Unity is the opposite of America. Angry people with guns is America.