cannabis legalisation in the uk, please SIGN!

i have no probs with drugs
i would want it legal only if a system was introduced to look out for the non-users, stoping them from suffering from pain caused by the taker :bigear: *laughs sorri these smilies have me laughing* :jester:

 

I didn't sign it because legalisation will never happen.

Decriminalisation, on the other hand, is a wiser and much more likely option (though still unlikely). The dutch system does actually work pretty well, despite what matey was saying. I spent 8 months in Amsterdam and, yes, a lot of people don't like it but they respect other people's freedom of choice and tolerate it as it's not harming any other human being. Criminalisation does not make the problem better at all.


Sadly, many self righteous individuals think it their duty to make other people behave more like them when they themselves are no bastions of morality, despite what they think. If my actions harm no other human being, why are you going to get so hung up on me deciding how I should live my life?


To the matey talking about 'whacked out zombies too stoned to go into work' I'll quote a certain Mr Bill Hicks :

"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated.
Lie!
When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."

Expand on this, I don't quite get where you're going...

 

okay for example alcohol is legal if ur a certain age, so there is therefore a limit on how much u can drink to be able to drive, simply to prevent the rates of accidents the drinker can cause to victims.

so i think knowing that alcohol has its bad points like drugs, i think they should also create a system that will prevent innocent victims from becoming a victim because of the way the drug user chooses to led their life. After this i would have no problem if it was legal.


havin said that sometimes yeah alcohol and drugs can be positve....i know many people who can drink so much though still have control over what they do

i hope i was clearer

 

Okey, I think I understand. There are already meausures in place to test for drugs on the roadside (swabs being one) and the standard sobriety tests that you have (walking in a straight line, saying the alphabet backwards etc). That's about as much as you can do really barr attaching a breathalyser in the ignition of cars.

IMO driving whilst under the influence of MJ is nowhere near as bad as alcohol (if you're a heavy smoker) but I wouldn't condone either. I've never driven in my life and I never intend to so it's no skin off my back. Last year I went on a roadtrip from Brighton to Berlin and back, our driver was smoking lots of weed and hash the whole trip (we stopped off in holland ) and I was not at all bothered about it. Had he even drunk 2 beers before, I would have not got in the car with him but had no problem with smoke because I know grass will not cloud his judgement and perception half as much as alcohol would.

I don't think decriminalisation of cannabis will cause any deaths or 'innocent victims'. Hell, it hasn't caused any whilst it's been illegal so I don't think it would start now.

 

like FUCK that online petition will have any effect on the legal state of cannabis.
we run for a corrupt government. with all the alcohol induced crime, you really think any member of the government is really eager to make pot legal right now?? i highly doubt it.

 

you say that, yet despite the alcohol induced crime they made the 24hour drinking laws ... hmm?

 

Yea, exactly. And I asked this question before, but I'd like to see if I can get a detailed answer: is there any sentiment in Parliament, or in the ruling Labour Party, for decriminalizing marijuana?

In the US, it wouldn't matter how many people signed a peitition, it would basically be meaningless. This "War on Drugs" that we have is basically a War on People, and is an enormously profitable business, one that the government keeps going by instilling fear in people, and by convincing people that it's 'protecting' them. There is no real support for decriminalizing marijuana (or anything else) among the 'opposition' :lol: Democrats. Under those circumstances, simply signing a petition would be meaningless.

Unless there is some real, meaty support for the whole idea that will really be translated into votes at the polls on election day (and candidates that will support it) I think signing a petition is just basically something symbolic.

 

hmm good point ( a day at allotments )

 

Actually for me it doesnt make a difference - you are still as ill informed about the issues as perhaps an ill informed 12 year old and half the point of asking people to sign a petition is so that the people signing it can become better informed by you.

So far you have stated that if 10,000 signatures go on a petition it has to be presented to a government office - which is wrong.
You have also stated that Holland legalised cannabis - It didnt!
It decriminalised it. So I would have to say that it would make a difference what age you were. If some 12 year old wants me to sign a petition they had better be one hell of a well informed 12 year old otherwise they just look silly. If youre over 12 and just dont have the facts about whatever cause youre petitioning for, you just look like some 12 year old with no facts and no ideas.

Personally I prefer to get my information from trustworthy sources
and you'll find that unless you get better informed about the arguments of legalising cannabis you will turn more people away from your cause than toward it.

 

the public will have NO say in the legality of cannabis.
it's completely a government decision.
if you think they don't know that a mass of people smoke dope and want it legalised already, you're mistaken.
written names on a sheet will not affect the government's decision.
and just because petitions on this issues are made, the bottom line is they don't affect shit.

 

as for mr.greenxxx's comments on the last page, oh, WHAT??
if they get 10k signatures it has to be passed? and this information came from a discussion with friends? i pity you.
if you were 12 years old would it matter? well, yes! considering the majority of 12 year olds cannot give a first-person opinion of the effects of cannabis! even a well informed 12 year old wouldn't have the option of taking part in a petition (which isn't going to go anywhere anyway).
as for 'you'd be able to grow your own tho, don't you realise that?' - it's going on all around you already. people are just careful, that's all.

cannabis shouldn't be legalised. your predictions on price show your lack of knowledge and initiative, and are so out. the prices would be sky high (especially if they tax on import too) and instead of cannabis being what it is now (with the exception of soap bar because that IS the following):- it would be a profit making item which would see people's lives being destroyed because not everyone can break the psychological addiction. lives would get side-tracked, priorities would re-organise and shit that needs to be done will be left to the population of none-tokers.

 

Though were does the government creates its ideas or law from? By issues the people are facing imo – whether it matches what the majority wants or not, whether it provides freedom or takes it away.

Yeah “the legalisation of drugs” seems unlikely and will never happen if people don't retain some faith in it. Like the theory if one person decides not to have faith or care about saving energy due to the fact that they feel that they are only one person, meaning that they feel it won't cause a bad impact on the world - what would it be like if this idea is chain-reacted (believe me it’s a word) through to many more people?

if you consider in the past women will never have thought that they would be limited to being a housewife and the term of a "child" existing let alone them going to school. Yes it was something that seemed unlikely. Though if it was not for groups of people "particularly men" pressuring the government into forcing women to stay at home and children to go to school it never would have happened.

Furthermore these housewives of that time would not have imagined, future women becoming the main wage earner in a family house hold. Mainly due to equal employment acts that were fought for by the feminist movement for example.

okayyyyyy before i go way off topic

i think if the people are discouraged, how can such a law be implemented? – I say there is always possibility no matter how insane it may seem :H :leaving:

 

well stated.

i also find it rather amusing so many people that use cannibis are so against it being either legalized or decriminalized mainly cause it seems they just can't be bothered to care.

that in itself seems discouraging.

 

thats a great speech , and yea too many stoners are too lazy, even if it affects their rights to even get stoned :S

 

bumppp

 

I am neither but I have no care whatsoever for the government's decision regarding Cannabis because it will undoubtedly fuck up. If they ever do legalize it, it will obviously be for profit making purposes. They'll never legalize it for the same reasons that we want it legalized.

 

Who says that it should only be people who do drugz, should fight to have it legalised?
Was the people who fought for civil rights all black? Was not the government full whites? Was the people who were voting for women’s rights all women? Was not the government full of male domination? Was the people who fought to have abortion legalised all women? Wasn’t the church against abortion. I guess it was still legalised to stop people from harming themselves. So when I think about the following groups of people;



-What about the people who do cannabis and fall into the scam of paying for it and never get it? Would they therefore result to violence?

-What about the people who buy cannabis, they get it and it turns out to be poor quality? Would they result to violence?

-I know this sounds unlikely but I get the feeling that not all drug dealers do drugz if so or if not, think of the dangers they are open to whilst giving the stuff to the user.

-Furthermore maybe these people would want drugz legalised.

Even though the church was against abortion, abortion was legalised to protect the women. So even though most of us know about how bad drugs can be, maybe it should be legalised to protect the people mentioned above. Most of us are aware of how dangerous alcohol or cigarettes are in yet they are legal.

p.s me personally i don't do drugz, i just thought i should mention that :toetap: :leaving:

 

okay

 

I will agree with you on that 100%.

Unless of course Tommy Chong or someone is head of the government. (Not that THAT would EVER happen).

 

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe some people who smoke cannabis might actually be against legalisation because they have seen the damage it can do to peoples lives - Quite a few motorists break the law and drive above the speed limit - that doesnt mean they must automatically be in a position of wanting to see the law changed in favour of higher speed limits, it just means that while they were breaking the law they were not thinking properly about the consequences.

Besides which not one of you that is in favour of legalisation seems to know what "legalisation" means, neither have you discussed the case for "decriminalisation".

What is it that you want, decriminalisation, or legalisation, and why do you want whichever of those two you are in favour of? Because both would have implications for the legality of smoking dope and you dont appear to know which would be the better option and why. I would sign any petition along this line so long as the reasons on that petition stated exactly the case they were making and argued against the other case. So is it legalisation, or decriminalisation? If I agree with the terms of the petition I would sign it