Canadians who are you going to vote for? "Poll"

You need jobs and prosperity first.

People won't breed if they can't feed their kids. Well, we won't.

 

People worldwide probably don't even know what taxes are. They produced out of ignorance and if they were educated they probably won't produce as much. They produce for necessity and survival while people in the West produce for fun and other societal reasons. For example in Africa having like 20 children is an asset because Africa is still mostly rural.

funny, we just elected a government that would put religious morals over ecological concerns.

 

Would you knock that "religious morals" bullshit off?

The Conservatives are NOT theocrats, Harper is NOT Bush, stop your lying.

 

So Harper is not same person he was 15 years ago?

oh well

Time will tell.

 

Are you the same person you were 15 years ago?

And hey, are you so unprofessional as to let your personal crap interfere with your work?

They torpedoed Day by asking him if he was Christian. He said yes

"SEE FOLKS? PROOF POSITIVE THIS MAN WANTS TO MAKE THIS PLACE A RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST..."

they tried the same thing last election

"SCARY MAN! SCARY! OOGA OOGA BOOGA!" but people were finally sick of the lies.

 

I am not but my beliefs have not changed fundamentally.

time will tell. When the time comes, then I would be able to say I told you so, Harper's just a bible nut.

 

Vote ABC .."Anything But Conservative".

Want another Mike Harris clone ?

 

Inquiring mind, to see where i stand on pop. issues chech my responses in [thread=140405]thread 140405[/thread].
Even still in Canada less educated ppl have more kids and have them sooner than more educated ppl. This does not mean the less educated are uneducated. During the Rae Days, and before that too, there where women conceiving WHILE on gov. assistance. That is the part that I strongly object to. Anyone and everyone on gov. assistance should be making every effort to hold off on expanding their family, JMHO.

 

Yes.

Absolutely.

Mike Harris turned the economy of Ontario around and got us out of the giant black debt hole Bob Rae put us in.

 

Mike Harris was far from a social conservative. And you really gotta hand it to a man that wins 2 consecutive majorities. Yes he had vocal enemies but enough ppl approved what he was doing to vote him back in for a 2nd term. Hippy land is predominately left-wing, as can be seen from this exact poll, we tend to gravitate to those of like minds, but this does not reflect the nation, obviously, but go take a gander at other forums on the net and you'll find some that are predominately populated by ppl that sound just like IronGoth.

Ernie Eves loss was the result of Eves letting Jim Flaherty loose to come up with a budget of regressive tax cuts, and they're considering that idiot for federal finance minister, BLAH.

 

And, given the Conservative platform puts "moral issues" to a public free vote, what's your problem?

 

Mike Harris is one of the most hated premiers in history. I never heard people bitch moe about someone than Mike Harris. By the way, do you live here or something? No one can post a single thing in the Canadian forum without you jumping on it two minutes later. We all know your point of view by now, give someone else a chance to retort......

 

I know he was hated. He told the union boys no more free lunch. He told welfare rejects they'd have to work. He closed down the totally unneccesary teat-hangers and socialist philosopher king enclaves.

Yeah, you want an education YOU pay for it.

Before Mike Harris, lifelong welfare addicts were entitled to a new washer and dryer every three years whether they needed it or not.

 

How did you construe my statement as a complaint? I was merely stating that Mike Harris was not a social conservative, I was not commenting on the current government.

 

15-16 months, enough to take us out of next winter. The "Third Republic-esque" string of elections is certainly unpleasant (and will be very unpopular) but there's precious few alternatives. Every month Harper's in office will be a month too many; I cannot think of one policy area in which the views of his party aren't dead wrong. Childcare, federal-provincial constitutional and fiscal balance, all social issues, tax-cutting, public medicine, employment insurance, transfer payments, generic social spending levels, the pace and priorities of defence spending, foreign policy? Not a jot of common ground between Harperism and the Liberals, to say nothing of the NDP.

What he can do, realistically, and what I expect:

1. Attempt to build up his stature and Prime Minsteriness by "foreign policy successes" which is to say the Bush administration will throw out red carpets, speeches and photo-ops. Given the pathological provincialism of our media this will be covered extensively and will work, in spite of some Mulroney-Reagan-style backlash.

The downside is, while talk is cheap, fair trade isn't, and won't likely materialize just to keep a semi-useless poodle-governement in Ottawa. Similarly, it's questionable whether the US will alter it's wholehearted intransigence towards Kyoto for even the most fictive of "Canadian compromise" operas bouffes.

2. Cut the GST. This will pass. However, god help Harper when he makes the budget, because it's hard to imagine how it will avoid a (deadly) deficit without the kind of cuts they can't afford to make politically. They will probably try to economize with their cheaper child care "option," with EI cuts and cuts to transfer payments, but how that will pay for tax cut for the wealthy, "a solution" to the "fiscal imbalance" and his open-ended promise to spend-wait times into oblivion, I don't know. Anyone explain that to me? Again, the best I could figure is they have a diamond mine in Baffin Island found by intrepid young Tory dogsled teams.

3. "Get tough on crime," which is to say attempt to make the justice system flashier and impressive to frightened seniors by making it less rational, nuanced and effective. Mandatory, longer sentences, sloganistic solutions to complex socio-political problems.

They will also attempt to implement the proven and successful American solutions to "the war on drugs" and "the war on terror." How much leeway they get from the other parties is questionable.

4. Health Care. They know time is on their side if there isn't a Liberal majority soon, because without a politically gutsy infusion of funding the system will become unpopular and thus dispensible. I suspect they will take advantage of their abilities to engineer crises and introduce two-tiered health care, albiet in a fashion tamed by the other parties. Hopefully subsequent governments can clean up the mess that gets left.

5. "Fiscal imbalance." I don't use the quotes to disparage the economic contributions of the "have" provinces, I just think it has become a dangerous term - Canada will either have an unequal contribution from the provinces, or the less prosperous provinces will tank completely and their provincial administrations will be unable to provide medical care, social programming, education, etc.

The core idea of the Fiscal Imbalance push is that it's wrong for the Federal government to pile up surpluses while Ontario and others struggle had to make ends meet. I agree. The problem is, the surpluses, such as they are, get spent and are going to need to be spent, and very very soon, on medicare. And then ever more money will have to be found. The Liberals or Liberals + NDP need a majority to put the "fiscal imbalance" money - and other Federal money - into health care, not goddamned tax cutting, which will both take away the sting of the overt injustice of federal-provincial finance, and ease the problems faced by Ontario.

The problem is, the Conservatives don't believe in single-payer health care anyway, and the fiscal imbalance is just an opportunity for them to reduce the federal government's budget and give it to the province to spend on unequal tax cuts, Ralph-Bucks, Quebec flags, beer and popcorn, whatever.

 

Double standard much? I'm not the one saying god so loved the world he sent his only son Steve.

Look, "the hidden agenda" isn't hidden. It's Harper's agenda. To put it a different way, it's Manning's agenda with the hard-to-achieve parts downplayed or jettisoned, and the whole affair greased up for administration as a suppository.

What has changed? Does he like what, in his mental framework, is called "big government?" (And in the 65%'s mind is called social programming, responsibile government involvement, the just society?) Does he like single-payer health care? Has the overwhelming force of Jack Layton's personality convinced him that the NDP are not in fact East German infiltrators set on destroying society?

Show me the head x-rays. I have to go on the same evidence by which I'd judge anyone else. Harper's not honest, and he's not centrist. By his own definitions, he isn't even a centrist American, unless his analogies were loose indeed.

Should I be nice because he will have to pretend extra hard to be a mainstream Canadian politician in order to do well politically? Why? He's only doing it because it's his best course of action to take in overall strategy towards repudiating mainstream Canadian values and reshaping Canada into something horribly different from the country I love. Harper's a snake in the grass, and they get mown.

 

Let me see. I read the same stuff, and I don't see coat hanger abortions or gulags for homosexuals anywhere in their agenda. So where's the fearmongering coming from?

No, thank God. And I don't either.

Single payer doesn't work. Nobody has it anymore. Except Cuba.

Tell me when Harper lied.

Oh give me a break. Once people see that you can easily shed 50,000 bureaucrats, official bilingualism and the gun registry WITH NO HARDSHIP WHATSOEVER and "Ralphbucks" arrive at every home....

 

I would vote NDP mainly because our leader needs to be somebody that we as Canadians are able to look up to. The leader of the country should not only represent the ideologies of the most part of canada, but he should be a role model at the same time.

We should not be looking up to a man that has a rehearsed smile and that wishes to remove any form of a safety net that protects the less fortunate of society. A man who's morals are distorted and who demonstrates no tolerance through his elitist views.

We should not be looking up to a man that steals from us. A selfish man who's confidence in his party has been and will be his downfall. A man who has no respect or love for the people he should be so proudly representing.

We SHOULD however be looking up to a man who does not own a vehicle. Who rides his bike to his destination or takes public transport. A man who is not ashamed to smile and be proud and happy to do the right thing, and to be the man who leads others to a society that thrives and coexists, to a certain extent, happily. A man who's socially democratic ideologies let competition play a sharing role with cooperation.

All that aside, I am happy that the conservatives won a minority government. This election can put the liberals in their place, and make them aware that they are not invincible. With the resignation of Martin maybe the next election can lead to a more responsible liberal majority.

 

Let's see - someone who says "how high" when the UN says jump. Check. Marxist. Check. Wow. No, sorry. Gassy Jack may be a nice guy and all but we've all seen what happens when Dippers get their hand on the public purse.

Remember this clown?



$10 BILLION in one year. No infrastructure, no business expenditure, nothing. A pile of handouts that went down to the LCBO on booze and cigarettes within seconds.

The Conservatives had to cut REAL deep to dig us out of that hole. Heck the Dippers screwed up so badly they had to put in Rae Days within two years, remember that? Elected on a whole pile of guarantees and within two years they were telling union boys to take unpaid days off.

Remember this clown?



Accomplice to murder, rioter and jewel thief who wants us to have the right to bugger 12 year old boys. THIS is your role model?

Well, the Reform folks started out without pretention but they learned double quick unless you rehearsed the smile Morontario voters (who voted in CLOWN NUMBER ONE ABOVE) won't vote for you and thanks to Canada's system you need to kiss Quebec and Ontario's hind end to get elected.

You DO know they intend on putting the funding back into medicare that the Liberals took out in their Adscam and Shawinigate shenanigans right?

Meaningless sentence. Which amounts to propaganda.

This eliminates these two clowns



Johnny "Screwface" Chretien - Architect of Shawinigate (in which he embezzled close to a quarter million), Adscam, etc.

and



Paul "Gee Golly, how many kilos of cocaine was on my ship?" Martin

As in, the dude's smiling cause he never has to put his money where his mouth is. Dippers always talk the moon when they're in the opposition but as Boob Rae found out there's actual money involved in really running the show.

Responsible liberal? HAR HAR HAR

 

Should we talk about past conservative parliaments and leaders too?