Canada, you need to get firmer.

Sounds like a DUH to me...

Easily forgotten people south of the border pour in this country for a reason, and its not to kick puppies and eat babies.

Given the media portrayel, its hard to believe they are even human, let alone essentially the same as everyone posting on here.

Another case of CREATING a problem and doing everything but fixing it....

 

ha ha ha come down here to my country

there are generations of chinese people here who never learnt to speak english cos there's so many of them, they just live and work in their little clique and never had to a speaka no engrish. until im in their taxi and they dont know where the fuck they are going or even what im saying.

im all for bilingualness but i think that if you want to move to a country then you should at least learn the language.

 

My $0.02
1. If you go to a country, have the decency to learn the primary language. Even if you're just travelling, pick up the simple phrases like hello, thank you and good bye, and USE them.
2. If you immigrate to a new country, contribute. Ie, work. Don't be a worthless piece of shit.

As far as Canada is concerned though, I've been looking into getting a visa for there, but even a regular temporary work visa seems to be quite difficult to get, nevermind actual citizenship. A competency in english or french is a requirement, so I don't know what's up. Maybe it's easier if you're not european.

 

Here is the investor immigrant program that I was talking about. I decided against it becase Canada is cold.

Here is how I could buy citizenship. Note this does not include a few items that are necessary if you use this option, like lawyer fees to get a better shot at getting it and other items that are not listed.

Investors

The Immigrant Investor Program seeks to attract experienced business people to invest C$400,000 into Canada’s economy. Investors must:

* show that they have business experience
* have a minimum net worth of C$800,000 that was obtained legally and
* make a C$400,000 investment.

Your investment is managed by Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) and is guaranteed by the Canadian provinces that use it to create jobs and help their economies grow.

CIC will return your C$400,000 investment, without interest, about five years and two months after payment.

So anyone with a million or so has no problem immigrating there.

 

what canada NEEDS is more trains and LESS kissing of america's ass.

what america needs is LESS bullying of the rest of the world into kissing it.

immigration? you don't want immigration? so stop murdering governments that try to protect their environments that people living there depend upon to live. people don't WANT to leave wherever they are born and grow up.

the only reason anyone wants to immigrate is because their survival forces them to.

people need to get real and stop lying to themselves about this because the think there gonna get something out of right wing loonacy. there not. not one in a hundred if even one in a million.

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pfft. he didn't say anything i didn't already say. i'm hurt no one ever reads my posts anymore. i think i'll have to put a boobie pic as my sig.

 

cool. we'll share the load with canada, too. we've got a lotta people to make room for.

 

sigh, i didnt say everyone who cant speak english refused to. but there are some who dont put forth the effort. fewer in my neck of the woods simply because we are smaller and sparser in immigrants than other areas, therefore the communities who speak their primary language are smaller. but there are a few who i know have been here for years and have not attended any language courses. our university offers english as a secoond langauge courses for very cheap, and free for some recent immigrants i believe. like i said, theyr erare, and i NEVER said that it applies to everyone.

 

well, thats always a positive :tongue:

 

It's extremely difficult to obtain and keep a work Visa in both Canada and the USA.

My uncle (Canadian) immigrated to the USA with his family on a work Visa and they lived there for 7 years before his two work Visas expired and there wasn't any way that they would be able to renew them and stay, even though his employer wanted to keep him. Countless stories like this exist. Bureaucracy tends to hinder progress and efficiency.

My boyfriend has tried to find illegal work here in Canada and has failed. Employers in Canada do not risk employing workers without visas nearly as often as they do in the USA. It's very difficult to find a reputable employer in Canada who will hire you and help you to be safe on the job if you don't have a visa. Most construction workers and landscaping work here is not being done by hired illegals. Even the restaurants won't hire you if you don't have a visa. It takes months to obtain a visa and sometimes years. You have to apply for a Canadian work visa from the country that you came from. In London, we have a high influx of immigrants coming from Colombia who may or may not have work visas. They still have to pay steep fines and go through several check points to even get out of their own country because their government doesn't want them to leave. When you apply for a visa in your home country, the government knows that you aim to leave and can come knocking on your door. Sometimes it makes sense to flee your country without a work visa, especially if you are on some kind of watch list for trying to unionize your place of work.

In third world countries, they will confiscate your passport and make you denounce your citizenship before you are allowed to leave the country. The idea is that once you leave, you can never return to your home country and try to bring your family with you to your new country once you officially have citizenship in that country.

Some people are even afraid of having a Canadian citizenship.

One if my friends who grew up in Zimbabwe (who has dual citizenship in Canada) traveled back to her home country just this past summer. The passport office asked her if she wanted it to say "Canadian Citizen" on her passport, because it could spell trouble for her when she travels to her home country.

The government randomly takes people off buses, airplanes, trains, etc. and will try to get people to denounce either their Canadian citizenship and are therefore forbidden to leave the country or to denounce their Zimbabwean citizenship and forced never to return to help and visit with their family. Large sums of money are handy in those situations, but there are no guarantees. So you have the option to omit your Canadian Citizenship on your passport.

Like I have said previously, in order to become a citizen of Canada, one must pay a small fortune, take a course and pass a test in English and/or French, and they have to qualify. It can be a difficult task to qualify and there are many obstacles.

(How can a person on a low untraceable income who doesn't speak the language or have the access to adequate education qualify for a citizenship?)

Damned if I know, I have never tried.

 

Have I accused you of overgeneralization? I think not.

I'm still curious however as to how you came to your conclusion about these individuals, how significant a portion of the immigrant population they really are, how deeply you know them and their motives, and whether you can fanthom complicating factors to cultural assimilation that they might face.

Think of yourself in a pueblo in Mexico...think of the challenges you would face as an adult with your experience in assimilating to that lifestyle and culture, especially if you had to devote almost all of your time to subsistence and had little or no experience in formal learning.

Perhaps you would succeed in learning the language and adapting. As you seem to understand yourself, many immigrants do. But I can also see the immense challenges they face and the fact that many will come up short for reasons other than "refusal".

Learning a new language can be a really frightening experience...you are misunderstood, laughed at, infantilized, dumb-founded, discouraged, face discrimination, etc.

 

if they can't do it...suicide is a viable option

 

Why would I care if people try to learn the language here or not?

Its going to benefit them to do it, not me.

 

Very well put. I think a lot of people on this thread who spew words such as "decency", "refusal", etc. without much care are not fully aware of this basic fact and what it implies pragmatically, and psychologically to the immigrants involved.

All of the "shoulds" and "ought tos" should be balanced by the perspective offered by the above poster.

 

they didnt ask for your approval. Maybe you didnt get the job because you're a dumb bitch

 

um, no. people DO want to leave where they're born and grow up all the time. i know i did. i know any number of people who did. and never looked back. that may be true for a few people, but most of us are pretty restless.

 

anyway...

 

I agree that was harsh of him, but I found her statement extremely ignorant too

 

watch the inappropiate insults there buddy

 

ummmmmm, no. Most people do not want to leave their homes, their loved ones, and their culture to move to a country that doesn't respect them and that demands they conform. Funny thing is, most of the folks who say they need to learn english, need to learn english themselves.