Can God cure as well as kill? Should God kill or cure?

The Christians thought it harmful, to them, and that is why they used their inquisitions on us.

Those who admire such tactics love Hitler as well. He is as big as a genocidal God to them as Yahweh.

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DL

 

I'm glad most people here see GreatestIam doesn't adequately represent gnostic christianity.

 

Once again, the inquisition didn't do anything to 'us' - it happened centuries ago to other people whose beliefs you don't share.

I don't know anyone personally who admires the inquisition or their tactics. I think that you'd be hard pressed to find many people today who do.

Are you sure Hitler and Yaweh were/are on the same page? Hard to see when you consider Hitler's attitude towards all things Jewish.

 

While you see Christianity adequately showing that they are homophobic and misogynous and still use low keyed inquisitions. Right?

What you are basically saying is that people here are not too bright, and I do not agree.

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DL

 

I noticed here in Republican controlled Indiana religion is used by the powerful to oppress and control the poor lower classes. Christianity here is used for hate, not for love and understanding as is common in Europe.

 

Lol You're fooling max. one person with that post.

 

You have to accept inquisitions and jihads as good if you are going to call yourself a Christian or Muslim.

If you do not accept inquisitions or jihads, then you, if a moral person, will not stay in a religions that used that immoral concept to grow.

You no longer see anything but the way right flying Hitler's flag, but you do see a lot of Christians flying the cross, which shows their poor moral sense.

Bishop John Shelby Spong: Why Atonement Theology will Kill Christianity


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What a bunch of hooy.. as usual

You're entitled to your subjective opinion.

 

What if you don't accept the virtual extermination of the American Indians? Should you leave America?

 

I'm not taking sides between you people. I just want you ton understand in this part of the world, Christianity is an instrument of hate. Just listen to Bridgeitte Gabriel, John Hagee, Robert Spencer, Pam Geller, Mike Pence, and all the Alt-Right guys.

 

So is your hooy producing dead brain.

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You would not join a religion dedicated to their demise would you?

You would instead defend the natives. Right?

I defend my dead by not allowing the murdering religion to forget it and also mentioning that it still has the same vile and immoral God. Christianity is a garbage religion, just as Islam is.

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I agree.

You mean today's intelligentsia. A swear word to the lying preachers.

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DL

 

No disputing that both now and in the past many kinds of abuses have been carried out by people calling themselves Christians. And other people under the same banner have done a certain amount of good in the world too.

That's not really what the disagreement here is about.

 

Once more you ignore the point. You're saying Christians should cease being Christians because of historical abuses that took place. I'm saying that there's a moral equivalence between that and remaining a citizen of a country that carried out abuses in the past.

But I don't think Americans today are responsible for the actions of their ancestors any more than Christians are for the actions of past Christians. As long as it's clearly understood that there were bad things, and we mustn't repeat them.

'I defend my dead' - Cloud cuckoo land.

 

Correct, yet Christians continue with their lower level of inquisitions against women and gays.

You go ahead and show respect for those who do not deserve it.

Your moral equivalency fails as there are many religions in this country that are more moral than Christianity.

One can change to a better religion while one cannot change countries as easily.

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DL

 

As I've already said...not picking sides...just thought it was relevant. Personally, I think religion has done its share of bad on this Earth. I've been lucky enough to get a free meal at a Catholic Charities Homeless Shelter; but, I've also seen the news about all that Child Abuse.

 

Pretty well all religions have some negativity in the background if you dig deep.

But there's an important aspect of the concept of Gnosis which you seem to completely overlook, or not understand. 'Gnosis' as discussed previously, indicates a specific kind of knowing - knowing the spiritual reality directly. It isn't really a 'religion' as such, nor a philosophy, but a state of being. An actual experience. At least in the higher conception. But of course, people pick upon the external ascpects with no understanding of the essential thing at all. For many, 'gnosticism' is simply another line of brainwashing, no different from the most orthodox and external religious nonsense.

Religions have had their day and made a mess of things IMO. To go beyond established religions is about the only real utility of the concept of gnosis. Just to seek to start a new 'gnostic' religion is simply to add one more cult, one more set of mental formulations, all of which must by definition fall short of the transcedent truth that is the goal of the true spiritual seeker.

The obsession with 'religion' often has very little to do with anything actually spiritual. Most religions fail because they fail to actually connect people to that within themselves which is deeper than the surface ego. Changing religions is liike changing a shirt - it's mostly a cosmetic change - nothing in the person changes fundamentally, they just learn a new vocabulary, a new set of rules and so on.

Like the use of hate filled language to dismiss those with whom one disagrees -

 

If you were talking to an S.S. soldier, or those fool enough to admire their ideology, would there be any hate in what you would tell him as he tries to promote his ideology?

"It isn't really a 'religion' as such, nor a philosophy,"

That is why I am starting to call all theology, philosophy and all thinking systems ideologies. KIS.
Tradition calls them all religions even when there is no supernatural god. Buddhism and Karaite Jews fall into the same category as Gnostic Christianity as they too put man above God where we belong, given that we invented all the Gods.

"To go beyond established religions is about the only real utility of the concept of gnosis."

I agree, and given the vile history of the supernaturally based religions, the further we can get from the supernatural the better.

Which is what Gnostic Christianity does.

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When somebody misuses a label, as you have, by applying it to a belief system that is practically the opposite of the original, I'd call that being misleading. If I decided I'm a Buddhist and then told you I believe the Buddha taught the philosophy of Ayn Rand, I think Buddhists would rightly cry foul--even though it's a free country and you can call things whatever you want without going to jail. I think you've done that to the Cathars. In your various posts, you portray the material world as basically good, sensual pleasure as okay, and ourselves as gods. If anything is clear about Cathar beliefs, they believed the reverse. Cathar Beliefs, doctrines, theology and practices They saw the material world as thoroughly evil; sensual pleasure as abhorrent; humanity as fallen, trapped spirits seeking liberation from the world; and god as a transcendent spiritual being. There was nothing metaphorical about it. As BBB explained, most of their sacred writings were destroyed by the Inquisitors, but a few have been salvaged: the longest , The Book of the Two Principles Cathar Texts: The Book of the Two Principles and another the Gospel of the Secret Supper--The Book of John the Evangelist which they borrowed from the Bogomils. BC Recordings - Lectures by Dr. Stephan A. Hoeller
BC Recordings - Lectures by Dr. Stephan A. Hoeller
And a few others: Cathar Texts and Rituals

Assuming these are authentic, there is little resemblance between these and the bogus set of ideas you've been peddling here, which seem to be a worldly version of anti-traditional Christian materialism .

The Cathars were dualists, beleving in two worlds (one spiritual, one material) created by two different gods, the Creator of Spirit and the Creator of Matter. They were ascetics, believing that celibacy was the preferred way of life and, after partaking in their consolementium sacrament to become Perfecti, practiced extreme forms of self-mortification to renounce the material self. You are correct that ordinary believers (Credentes) were not held to the same standards of asceticism as the elite initiates (elect or Perfecti), but they were nevertheless expected to aspire to celibacy and asceticism. They were Arians, and like the Jehovah's Witnesses, thought of Jesus as an Archangel. They also were docetics, viewing Jesus as entirely spirit and His material human form as an illusion. Nowhere do I find that they thought of themselves as God or gods or goddesses.