Can Acid make you go crazy For The Rest Of You Life?

im not trying to start an argument, i am not trying to do anything. i am actually making a very good point. thanx for your help in proving my point!

you suggest that anyone who has done lsd has permanent damage. i have done lots of lsd so you are saying that i am permanently damaged but i am not. you are so sure of yourself and admit to taking lsd so we know that you feel like lsd has caused you permanent damage.

why anyone would suggest that i should have a sense of humor about people trying to ruin lsd for every one else is beyond me.

i have a great sense of humor, just dont suggest that myself and fellow cosmonauts have permanent brain damage and expect me to sit back without offering my two cents.

 

Once again, there is no way for you to know if you have permanent brain damage or not. Anything that you say on the subject is subjective and not objective.

Next, why do you keep accusing people of trying to ruin LSD for everyone by just telling the truth about it? You keep trying to stop people from telling the truth about LSD and that is just irresponsible. People should be told exactly what LSD is and what it can do so they can make an informed choice. Anything less is criminal.

 

i dont think many people care what a paranoid grumpy old man has to say about lsd.

do you actually expect people to believe that you are an expert that knows "exactly" what lsd is?

 

Yes, that's probably why no one cares what you have to say.

Once again you're making things up.

When did I ever say I was an expert on LSD?

The topic of this thread is; does anyone know some one who didn't come back from a LSD trip? I merely said; yes.

I don't know how you've misconstrued that to mean that I consider myself an expert on LSD or that some how I want to ruin LSD for everyone, but you have.

All I can say is if your comments about me are any indication of your knowledge of LSD, then anyone taking your advice should be afraid , very afraid!

 

Based on the scientific evidence and studies that have been done, LSD does not cause brain damage. Long term medical studies have also been done with related chemicals (with indigenous native populations of life long frequent use of DMT, Mescaline, etc) and it was shown that mental illness does not occur at a higher rate then non-users, nor were there any related signs of brain damage or other negative health effects.
LSD is not stored in the spine or any other part of the body and completely metabolised and excreted within a couple days after ingestion, the majority of it within a few hours. For those that say that LSD can make someone crazy for the rest of their life, how is that possible?? If LSD is not in the body or damaged the brain, how could it be having an effect on the person?

 

I know that this is now a long thread but please try reading it before you just jump in.

 

i dont figure you consider what you are doing criminal so you think you are telling people "exactly what lsd is".

actualy the topic for this thread is Can Acid make you go crazy For The Rest Of You Life?

you are lost, very pissed off and obsessed now. would you like a shovel to dig your hole deeper?

the person you are speaking to is very much on topic!

 

This is the post by the originator of the thread. If you’ll notice it asks the question; Does anyone know anyone or heared of this happening to someone close to you? Which I answered with: yes, I know someone.

The quotes of mine that you cite in no way show that I believe myself to be an expert on LSD. They do not imply that I’m trying to tell people what LSD exactly is. What they do imply is that you are not giving people the whole truth and are thus lying to them by trying to gloss over the fact that there are those who don’t come back. Why is that? Why do you continue to attack me for stating the simple truth?

Lost? Upset? Obsessed? You really don’t know me! To tell you the truth, You amuse me and I would be even more amused if your Mary Poppins attitude toward LSD wasn’t so dangerous.

Again making things up, Where did I say his Post was off Topic?

 

chirp chirp......



Calm down humans...

I dont thinks its so dangerous... Im a dangerous Person.. LSD never made me do anything dangerous. Fact It made me less dangerous.. Sort of honed my abilities..

Personalities very from person to person. I personally dont think that anyone doing LSD for spiritual reasons ever was stuck on stupid for life...
On the other hand a person with abuse in their past, criminal activities, gos to abuse LSD and in return it abuses them... BAD trips and memories of things that formed the character self and the person dont like what they be or want to be..basic ego shit..


in a nutsell both the good and the bad...
Like nuclear energy for the mind? Its safe to some point... but ..(pooof)............."lost signal"................................................the end..

 

I don't know what you are talking about. I started posting in thread back on page 3.

If this question cannot be answered then it isn't possible for LSD to make a person crazy for the rest of their life, as per the OP's question.

Seriously though, not even anti-drug groups like D.A.R.E. make baseless accusations like it causes brain damage and permanent insanity. -

• -from D.A.R.E. uk website

 

The reason I made the comment is that your post made it seem like I was saying that LSD caused Physical brain damage, which I was not. If you read the previous posts the subject was brought up by balloon in post #167. When 3xi said he had no brain damage I merely pointed out that there is no way to prove that statement one way or another. So I pointed out to you that a refresher on what had recently been said before you jump in is generally a good idea. Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend.

If a knife is inserted into a persons heart and then removed although the knife is no longer there the presence of the knife at one time can still have lasting effects. So a powerful mind altering drug like LSD could alter a persons mind in such a way that the drug would no longer need to be in the persons body to continue to have lasting affects. In fact if you know many people that have taken LSD I’m sure that a great many would say that LSD has had a long lasting good affect on them so it would seem that if that is the case then the possibility of a long lasting bad affect would seem possible as well. Such as the person that I know.

[/quote]Seriously though, not even anti-drug groups like D.A.R.E. make baseless accusations like it causes brain damage and permanent insanity.
-from D.A.R.E. uk website[/quote]
Psychosis
There are some cases of LSD inducing a psychosis in people who appeared to be healthy prior to taking LSD. This issue was reviewed extensively in a 1984 publication by Rick Strassman.[60] In most cases, the psychosis-like reaction is of short duration, but in other cases it may be chronic. It is difficult to determine if LSD itself induces these reactions or if it triggers latent conditions that would have manifested themselves otherwise. The similarities of time course and outcomes between putatively LSD-precipitated and other psychoses suggests that the two types of syndromes are not different and that LSD may have been a nonspecific trigger. Several studies have tried to estimate the prevalence of LSD-induced prolonged psychosis arriving at numbers of around 4 in 1,000 individuals (0.8 in 1,000 volunteers and 1.8 in 1,000 psychotherapy patients in Cohen 1960;[61] 9 per 1,000 psychotherapy patients in Melleson 1971).[62] - Wikipedia

Like I’ve said before; It does not appear to happen often but it does happen and I believe that people should make informed decisions with as full knowledge as possible. So people should be told it is a possibility, although slim, it is a possibility.

 

With the knife analogy, it causes physical damage, LSD does not. Strassman's study doesn't answer my question. My point is that LSD doesn't physically cause psychosis, it is psychological, which is dependent on the person. People need to take responsibility for their own thoughts.

 

I kind of figured that you would say that. The analogy was to merely point out that something may have left the body but could leave behind lasting damage, in the case of the knife physical damage and in the case of LSD mental damage.

I'm unsure what question you wanted it to answer.

The original poster asked not how it happens but does anyone know someone that it has happened to. To which I said yes. As to how it happened I do not know.

Without giving a person all the information they need to make a wise decision on this matter, such as being told that prolonged or permanent psychosis is a myth and that the world would a better place if everyone dropped LSD, can they be held responsible for what happens, to them under the influence of LSD?

 

i suggest talking to people who you know that have actually done it. i mean you could talk to people online but then your gonna get a whole bunch of stories of that friend of a friend we all know who turned into a vegetable.

hey, its like the greate timothy leary said: "These psychedelics cause psychosis in people who have NOT taken them!!!"

what he means is, would you talk to a virgin for sex advice?

 

lsd changes the brain chemistry in your brain, while according to our anologyies that is psychologcial, but really there is a physical change happening inside there.

your brain clicks and skews in different ways.

i havent done lsd for about 5 months now i think. and for a time i was quite insane, now im getting better, alot better.

so you do get slowly better after doing a bit of lsd.
i still dont think i could take a trip again for at least another six months.
i stopped when i was hearing voices in my head. very clear distinct voices, that were questioning my identity. so i guess i had a "identity crisis". and i was a range of differnt people, i had no idea who i was after one funy trip. before then lsd told me who i was soo strongly i felt like god. each time i tripped i changed who i was, and felt more like god, untill fininally i lost all of who i was. i am now regaining who i am. so there you go. im not insane forever, nor was i realy insaine. i really dont know.

but yes lsd can really do things to you. it iS just somthing isnt it. it scares me the experiences you can have.. just remembering them. profound and intense is an understatment.

 

Try it for two weeks straight and find out.... (Don't)

 

my last trip was way beyond shitty/ It started out awesome and ended okay but the middle was literal hell because Ithats where I thought I was. Then I thought I was insane and had killed my kids and my husband and bro-in-law were just in my head telling me everything was alright cause I couldnt deal with the truth. Never Ever Again! Though I have to say every trip before that(while in college) was great I guess it was time for a serious wtf to go on. Also (sorry so long) I took the trip after we had jsut lost our house, had no money and we where living with a friend and it jsut wasnt working out . So I think that had alo to do with it. So no more tripping for me. I'll just stick to weed.

 

yeah well i cant even smoke weed these days. no way. maybe one day. but i think i ruined it all for me. maybe for the best. one day ill do acid again.

 

I've noticed this thread for a while and the topic was always passe and uninteresting to me but I read most of it since it seems to be a popular one.

I must say it started out like a pissing contest, then some solid communicators steered it into a worthwhile discussion (namely relayer, 3xi, shifter, snocbor, ry and OWB even though he seems awfully comfortable with his conclusions)

The issue of natural psych versus man made psychs was brought up and I think it deserves more clarity. One would call peyote a natural psych i'm sure, but even that requires a laborious extraction process, and in a sense could be considered manmade. LSD is also extracted from natural ingredients, but the manner of extraction is much more sophisticated and seems to us to be artificial simply because we can't get our minds around the process of making it. Even eating mushrooms requires an extraction process; it's done inside your body at that point. Or you could bypass digestive extraction and have a synthetic psilocybin extract. Is that any less natural?

Gotta love the older generations, so convinced of what they believe simply because they've been around longer when we all know age does not equal experience and experience does not equal wisdom. The boomer hippies never really claimed to have precedent for psych drug use, the whole while it was considered a social experiment. Not their fault; our culture has no shamanic traditions to look to for reference. They even admitted collective failure notwithstanding personal growth. Just because you were there and saw many people on acid doesn't mean anything; also from most accounts drug use was fairly indiscriminate. They didn't really know all the pros and cons of each drug and saw that mainstream propaganda was so wrong about something like pot that they must be wrong about all drugs. I submit that a lot of those bad trips involved drug combos.

Acid is many things to many ppl, even back then. When the counter culture hit the mainstream, ppl approached acid differently than in its origins and a whole mess of weird/bad trips were reported; it's why the standard dose was lowered, to accomodate bad trips. But you can't take the average trip as an indicator of general principles of psychedelia in such a precedent-free environment. Fortunately now we have something like the internet to regain some focus on the real nature of acid; that it's not introducing foreign thoughts and feelings into the brain, but releasing them from their subconscious niches, and that all you encounter on a trip comes not from a chemical produced in a lab, but from the depths of your own pysche. Is being acquainted with one's subconscious an act of insanity? Depends on who you ask apparently.

I'll just recapitulate that all humans are crazy and don't realize it, and the ones who are considered crazy by the rest might just prefer a different brand or flavor of insanity.

 

Nice comment.

Yes, I am comfortable with my conclusions and yes I have been around longer but the comfort I have in my conclusions comes from experience.

Yes on many occasions I have taken LSD and if I was to go on it's affect on me and the trips I’ve taken, I would tell everyone that LSD is a wonderful fun and everyone should take it and there is no lasting effects or danger in taking it.

But then I’ve been with friends having a bad trips and remember working hard for hours trying to talk them down, also as I have mentioned, I know someone who didn’t come back, which is the topic of this thread.

These things tend to moderate a person’s zeal for recommending LSD to everyone.

Thus, when people seem to be a little over zealous in advocating that everyone should take LSD and that it is a cure all for mankind’s problems and there is no danger in taking it, I find myself in a position where I think I should speak up and say, maybe we should recommend a little caution as well.