CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

The houses are run down and people have lived here for years, some of the lots are an acre or more, Mom has wonderful tall grass growing between the banana trees and we are having dinner in the yard. A beautiful table is set. Mom is indigenous North American, don't recall the tribe right now. The conversation somehow shifts to Big Foot. And Mom starts hollerin "Sasquatch is Real.. I'm tellin you lots of people have seen Sasquatch and the legends are real..".

Years later I am thinking, "Hum, well, new species are discovered all time; big creatures like antelope and large primates". And I'm wondering about Homo Floresiensis, "Flores Man", and I'm asking myself about the Flores Man - Ebu Gogo legend connection ? And Mom's voice comes back again.

A magnificent creature. Not a canine, not a feline, but a carnivorous marsupial. It is known that the creature survived in its modern form for millions of years in Australia, New Guinea and Tasmania. Up to 6 feet from nose to tail tip and 2 feet in height. In the late 19th to early 20th centuries it is thought to have been hunted by man into extinction. "The 'last one' died in captivity in 1936". The animal, thylacine or the "tasmanian tiger" is now offically declared as extinct.

In 1982 a husband and wife are driving along the road during the late evening in Tasmania, they comming back from the theatre. It is dark and the autos lights are on high beam. Then the husband notices two creatures about 100 meters up the road. They appeared, at first, to be dogs. "First I noted the erect ears and rather large head. Their colour was light brown, just like the dog we had at the time … sort of a light mutt brown. I thought, Oh, my goodness, it's a tiger! By this time I was within about ten metres of the two. Still they had not moved. It was almost as if they were disdainful of the car. If I had not applied the brakes I would have struck the larger of the two. Still they did not move... It was now I noticed the strange tail which seemed to be too big to be swung. I also noticed the stripes which ran down from the top of the back to the flanks. The tail struck me because of the large hump on the rear... [ the animals had disappeared into the bush and a minute later ] I said to my wife, "what did you see?""


http://www.tasmanian-tiger.com/files_analysis.htm
http://www.austmus.gov.au/thylacine/index.htm


Life is a magnificent mystery.


Peace,

David





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http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102851

 

No, your not going to Hell because God did not give you enought proof, you will go there, because you could care less about God. You have a lifetime to find Him, but you use your time passing the buck. The Bible has laid out the plan of salvation for you. But you turn around and call it foolish. The facts for the Bible are there alright, but I have never seen such exercises of denial by so many on this post, especially when you present them with those facts. Give these same people fragments of a bone, and they will believe in the whole theory of Evolution. Show them a story in the Bible, find the spot where it took place, find extra Biblical writings chisled in granit which backs up the biblical account, and then you will hear them say. Oh that's not evidence. Which only reveals their hipocracy. It really comes down to evidence you want to believe, compared to evidence you don't whan to believe. And I can tell you, the evidence for the Bible is far stronger, than the failing evidence for Evolution. Yet, most would rather believe the Bible is filled with errors and untruths, because then they can live their lives free from God. The computor that I'm on, will not allow me to check out the site of the 190 failed prophecies, it appears there is some problem there. But could you name ONE prophecy that is supposedly false. I would love to see one. Go ahead, give it your best shot. Im sure you posted the 190 failed prophecies, because you have personally research each one, and are confident of the accuracy of that post.

 

I think you missed my point. There is enought evidence for those who are looking for it. Yet, for those who donot want to see it, they will actively try and stop any personal evidence from coming forward. And I don't recall any rules that bared personal testimony. You appear to make up the rules as you go along. So I guess to continue this debate, we will have to play by your rules. So much for an open debate. Now, what is your first question?

 

And please tell me, which argument of mine is wounded?

 

The rules of logic apply to a debate, Campbell.

I have already explained why "personal testimony" cannot be used as criteria for an objective "God".

It violates the rules of objectivity because anyone can have a "personal testimony" about anything--that doesn't make it so, objectively.

 

What, you believe you had a valid argument to begin with?

See Lib's answer above...

 

you know, people thought jesus was crazy too

 

Sorry, those are your rules, which I did not agreed with, and someone speaking the truth is far more important, than your contrived rules. Its obvious, you have attempeted to put words in my mouth based on your last post, in order to claim a victory you have not earned. I would never try to surpress any information to win a debate. It appears you would. This debate was not about your concept of logic, it was about the truth of God's existance. Now, do you have a question for me, or are you going to claim an undeserved victory?

 

no problem, seeing as you have no real information

 

To someone that isn't a Christian... I'm not even sure if some of you could even see truth if it hit you in face. But all of you are sure good at neglecting it.

 

Ahhhh. There's no fool like an old fool....

"Libertine's" rules are really the rules of any debate. I'm surprised that you would enter into a debate without having first studied the rules of debate.

Well, no... Maybe I'm not. After all, you had no idea what logical fallacies were even about, or why you shouldn't use them in arguments.

Try performing a search on Parilamentary Style Debate to get a clue.

 

Sweetheart, Mr. Campbell walked into a debate without first reading up on the rules of having one. For something to be an absolute truth value, it first must be something that can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. These types of arguments cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, it is all merely speculation.

You didn't think Mr. Campbell was gonna settle, once and for all, a question that has been debated by much smarter people than us for thousands of years, did you?

 

Let me see if I understand your arguement, you are trying to compare scientific data, ( and yes bone fragments definately count as data.) with ancient text, (written and rewritten by men,)

The major problem here IMO is that the "Christians" refuse to acknowledge the difference between, Data arrived at by logical means with peer oversite. and very old stories.

For some people proof is nesessary, for others faith is valued more highly than edcuation and belief in self. My father, the methodist minister, told me many times that to much edcuation is a "dangerous path". He said "Never believe in yourself, but only trust in God."

I've decided to just agree to disagree, All you Christians can feel sorry for me because you think i'm going to hell, and I'll feel sorry for ya'll because I think your world is so small

In the end no one can really PROVE their religons true or false (except the athiests, which ain't no religon t'all )

PS sorry for inturupting

 

as hail libo would put it ............PROVE jesus was crazy fuzzy

 

Well they have discovered that some of the most important stories in the Bible were true after all. And they have an abundance of evidence to back it up. Actually, more evidence than they have for Evolution. And your dad was right. They have found the Red Sea crossing site. They have found Pharoahs coral incrusted army. And not far from there they have discovered the real Mount Siniah. This is the Mountain where Moses got the Ten Commandments.
They found the 12 columns the Bible talks about that represents the 12 tribes of Israel. They found at the base of the Mountain a 40 foot stone altar, thats where they worshiped the golden calf. They discovered the Mountains boundry markers that are talked about in the Bible. They discovered the 30 foot split rock of Horeb , this was the rock Moses struck with his stalff and water came out so the Children of Israel would have water to drink. They found the cave of Josha near the top of the Mountain, and according to the Bible when God desended on the Mountain He was like a furnance of fire. The top of this granit Mountain is burnt black. If you are looking for evidence it is there. The story that was written by men, is true. The question is, do you really want to see evidence? The Bible states that men would rather believe in a lie, than the truth. Now we are talking about old stories, and evidence. Feel free to inturpt.

 

Yet, once again, Mr. Campbell, none of these historical artifacts proves G-d's Existence or Involvement, it merely proves that the Jewish people were there and that they believed G-d to be responsible for their preservation. I believe that as well.

Yet, belief does not give solid ground for a sound argument. Unless you have objective, non-partisan sources to back you up on your so-called "evidence" of G-d's involvement, your argument fails miserably.

... Jee-monee-Christmas. Did you even look up the rules of debate? Try any university website... Most philosophy departments will post the standard parlimentary style debate form. Some of them vary slightly, yet it should be enough to give you an idea of how to form a *valid, strong and sound argument.*

You might even learn about premises and conclusions! *gasp*

 

I am open to any objective evidence you can provide, Campbell.

I was under the impression that was what this whole debate was about in the first place.

 

Not all of us do, grimjivey. Some of us can accept that some things just have to be based on faith, and can't be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Some people take historical evidence that could be used to strengthen this faith and falsely apply it as evidence for the absolute existence of G-d.

*cracks up laughing* Oh, you were told that too? That sucks. I believe that G-d gave me very efficient brain for a reason. He wants me to exercise it and use the gifts He gave me to the best of my ability. It would be a shame to let a G-d-given gift waste away.

I could hug you right now. Not too many folks can really "agree to disagree," even though it's the most peaceful solution there is. So, I don't feel sorry for you at all, because it seems you're more mature than a lot the brethren I have to group myself with every time I take up the title of "Christian."

It's rather unnerving, actually.

 

yo cambell, is me getting upset and believing youre bullshit to be wrong the will of god?

if i find out who you are and ----------:X ------------ is that the will of god?

if a guy wandering through your town rapes your mom AND your dad while they're dead, is that the will of god?

what if right now, you heard a grand deep voice tell you, "your a queer little bitch", would you go to gay clubs or to jail? heheh

god spelled backwards is dog
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