CAMPBELL34 VS. LIBERTINE :The War To Settle The Score...

Wyatt is not the only one that has researched these supposed findings...




"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33168

Now please discredit Peter Elmer... Also, I would also like to know how many people, who are not Christian, have gone over to this supposed site and examined it themselves. You would say it is only Christians researching the site, but how many non-Christian's are eager to discover evidence for the Bible?

 

Point being. WHERE IS THE CONCRETE EVIDENCE?

Am I just supposed to take Mr. Christian's word for it? How about Mr. UFO and his "photo" evidence and his claims?

But oh...PETER ELMER...

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic (A REAL EXPERT!!) from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring
to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an
underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains
of the Egyptian army."

But despite all of Elmer's excitement, others who have been to the same
location are not so sure what is being viewed underwater are the remnants
of the great chase and urge extreme caution regarding the unsubstantiated
claims.

Curiously, no one can account for the precise whereabouts of that
eight-spoked wheel today.

http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html

 

That is what you calim but you refuse to let us present the evidence. You refuse to listen and close your ears... if only closed minds had closed mouths...

 

The very article you linked to tells me that Peter Elmer is a forklift mechanic, not an archeologist. It also tells me that none of this "evidence" of chariot wheels found by Ron can be accounted for today. And he only found 1 wheel aparently, which is not evidence of an army at the bottom. All this I learned from the link you posted. Your own source has discredited itself. Maybe you should have read it before you posted it.

http://www.bibleandscience.com/otherviews/wyatt.htm


Stop spreading lies and maybe you'll get more respect around here.


And BTW, real archeologists have done nearly 5000 dives in the Red Sea.
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200006/the.sadana.islands.shipwreck-the.red.sea.in.global.trade.htm

 

As I have already challenged the credibility of PETER ELMER...the hyster driver...


How about "EXPERT" Lennart Moller?

"Academic historians evaluate discrete factual statements, not entire books at one go. But Moller emphasizes that he is neither a theologian, a historian, nor an archaeologist. In fact, he underlines that he does not know what these disciplines believe regarding the questions he takes on."

Oh, and he has written some Christian books and is in an evangelical mission.

Next?

 

I don't have time to reply in deep however... is it that hard to take a picture? The pictures speak for themselves and keep in mind the last words of the article...

He takes the criticism in stride, pointing out "Jesus used fishermen, tax collectors and publicans. Why not a forklift mechanic?"


"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise..." 1 Cor. 1:27

 

:H Where's the wheel?? Besides if A WHOLE ARMY WAS DROWNED, wouldn't there be more evidence than a wheel or two?

The hyster driver didn't take that photo and as nice as your little quote is, it doesn't cut it in REALITY, JDFU.

I trust "non-biased" archaeologists and science way before I put my "faith" in Ron Wyatt the "ARK-aeologist", a hyster driver and a bunch of Christian authors.

 

Pictures don't speak for themselves. How many people have taken pictures of bigfoot or nessie? Aliens and UFO's? Come one, you are smarter than that...

 

i dont understand what this post is supposed to mean for anybody involved.

 

Libertine, Ron Wyatt is ancient history, the latest expidition involved Dr. Lennart Moller who was involved in the forensic analysis, he also has training in marine biology and chemistry.

Dr. Manfred Bietak, University of Vienna, who is the founder and director of the Archeological Institute in Daba, located in the eastern Nile Delta.

Professor Ken Kitchen, Egyptologist, Emeritus Professor University of Liverpool, England. He is one of the worlds leading Egyptologists.

Dr. Ebba M. During, Archaeoosteological Research Laboratory Stockholm University, Sweden. And was head of the department of Archaeoosteology. He conducts studies in bone idenification.

Professor Alan Millard, Who is Rankin Professor of Hebrew & Ancient Semitic Languages, University of Liverpool, England.

This is no longer about Ron Wyatt. The man has been dead for about two or three years. I think Sera believes Wyatt is pushing his theories from the grave.
These Scientist, and others, are the ones confirming Wyatt's discoveries.

 

I'm gonna need some sources for that. Your son just linked to an article that said that Ron's chariot wheel's are currently unaccounted for.

 

I can't speak for the wheels, but there is much evidence on the sea floor, which the Egyptain government does not want anyone to remove. It's like the Great Lakes here. I use to pull parts off of old shipwrecks years ago. If I did that today, they would take my boat, and diving gear if found out. I don't know, maybe in Egypt, they just cut off your head. Don't quote me on that.

Hear is the site adress.
http://www.exoduscase.com/AboutTeam/Index.html

 

I am aware that the Red Sea is an anthropologists dream, and posted a link earlier talking about the nearly 5000 archeological dives that have been done already at the Red Sea. You do realize, however, that archeological evidence of the time period is not proof of god, right?

I'll go through the link, Campbell. Unlike you may think I am not afraid of finding evidence of a god. I am open to it, I try to stay open to anything. I just don't want to start with any presuppositions.

I looked at the link, but info is seriously lacking here. There was no confirmation of Wyatt's findings at all. It seems that these people are not confirming Wyatt's findings, just studing the history of the area. But I can't even say that because the link gave me literally no information. I googled them individually, and could find no mention of support or confirmation of wyatt's findings.

Why, may I ask, are you so convinced Wyatt's findings were not a hoax - even with all the evidence otherwise? Wishful thinking does not make things true. Spreading this misinformation is just discrediting you. And if anyone you spread this misinformation to is to nieve to do some fact-checking on your stories then you should be ashamed for taking advantage of them. You shouldn't recruit members to your religion by using hoaxes and misinformation.

 

I want sources for all these people, please. You can rest assured I will check them out and post it here.

 

Here is the site adress.
http://www.Exoduscase.com/AboutTeam/Index.html

 

I agree there has been little new offered here. I do find arguments over faith interesting. Many people spend their lives going to church but do not have real faith. A major part of faith is the belief in something that you cannot prove exists but you know never the less that it does usually by some 'experience', I use that as a general term for something that tells you that your beliefs are valid. Of course the downside to this is that to those who have not experienced this it becomes almost impossible to show them why you have faith.

So a change of perspective to the athiest quickly reveals a dilema. A number of faiths all telling you that they are right, how do you choose or know which to believe? Infact it quickly becomes apparent that to those who have not had an 'experience' to induce faith, faith appears as blind following because they are missing a key piece of information. A simple philosophical argument but one I feel helps to explain why intellectual debates on the existance or not of god often goes round in the same tiresome circles.

 

It's not a hoax, because it has been confirmed by others who are considered highly creditable. Do the research, maybe get the dvd. It will tell you of the discoveries in detail. The expidition is diving Wyatt's site. Check it out, it's worth the money.

 

If there are no other sources of scientists confirming Wyatt's discoveried but one I have to spend money on then it is most definitely a hoax.

I would have been able to find information online about your sourced scientists confirming Wyatt's findings if it existed at all. I looked and found the scientists, but not the confirmations. I am not going to spend money just to find you are misrepresenting the material in some TV show.

 

Campbell?

Do you seriously expect me to take that as sources? I mean, I was thinking someone who could verify Wyatt who had no stake in his cause.

That's what I am asking for.

 

In his usual manipulative and deceiptful way, campbell34 is obfuscating the real issues at hand.
1] One suspected chariot wheel neither represents an army, a biblical event, nor evidence of either. The debate over his chosen reference points is one such obfuscational manipulation, as is the purported wheel itself, both of which neatly divert attention away from the issue at hand ~ campbell34's inability to evidentially prove the existence of god.
2] Deceiptfully manipulative people will use any deceipt so as to
disguise their deceipt using the guises of "scientific", "discovery", "proof" etc. that in themselves prove nothing other than the gullibility, stupidity, or foolishness of such proponents. refer point 1.