California cop shoots unarmed man eleven times

The family has successfully viewed the video revealing the incident in which an unarmed Ernest was shot at multiple times while trying to get out of the back seat of a vehicle where his leg was caught in the seatbelt. The video shows Ernest had his hands up while exiting and was shot in the chest and face.

https://www.************/justiceforernest/info

True. Mr Cynic.

 

i'm not sure what you're getting at. you had said that he was exiting from the driver's side, which in america, is on the other side of the vehicle.

i didn't realize before now that he was in the backseat; from the video i didn't even realize that the truck had a backseat. but if anything that just supports the fact that he was not exiting from the driver's seat.

 

I had read he was a passenger. So I presumed he was sitting next to the driver . Then I'm told he was the only person in the vehicle. So I wondered why he was jumping from seat to seat. The family (from the link) say he was climbing out of the BACK of the vehicle - I presume from the drivers side. Sorry, I posted that because I wasn't confused which side the driver sits in America (not very clear, tbh). I was confused why he was jumping around inside his vehicle, and how many people were in the vehicle.

 

prolly fumbling around for his knife or gun

 

No comment *cough*

 

:mickey:

 

So apparently you didn't bother with the report. The one that mentions that he was in the jumpseat in the back of the pickup and there were two people in the front. Or that the front right passenger couldn't make out what the cop was yelling. You know, the "stop or i'll shoot" part the cop car microphone picked up because its closer to him.

Fair nuff Doc. I only sent it to ya so you'd know it was there.
I got what you were saying I think and I'm always one to say unless you were there you don't know all the facts. I took it as partly defending a shoot first ask questions later attitude. And you took it as me taking it personally. I'm not.
It saddens me that some people disregard a life like its a hollywood movie, dirtbag (past or current) or not.

Exactly. He probably wasn't but that's just it right there. Nail on the head.

 

Guilty of not reading it. Should have. So two people co-operated and one didn't? Two are alive and one is dead.

 

ok, i see what you're saying.

i was kind of wondering; i really thought you knew about the difference in driver's sides but the wording of your post threw me.

 

By not actually explaining what I meant at all?

 

yes, that would probably have helped.

 

thread title is not accurate...the guy obviously had arms

 

A friend of mine was killed by police after he allegedly made a sexually suggestive comment to a clerk in a convenience store. He "repeatedly apologized" but that wasn't good enough. He finally dared raise his voice to the cops... and the pigs fucking murdered him.

After killing him they tazed his corpse six more times and beat his body with billy clubs and kicked him with their pigboots.

They spent a while tazing the corpse for another five rounds or so (probably while jerking off)... in all, eleven rounds of tazing. He died on impact with the ground on first taze.

The Coroner announced that he was high on drugs, THEN did an autopsy- and found NO trace of drugs or alcohol.

He is the only person I have known personally who was killed by police.

 

Ok I just read the report, twice. I really don't understand what the issue is Voyage, aside from someone lost their life.

The report pretty much says what the cop, I, and others have said as well as the expert testimony.
The guy was wanted.
The conditions of his warrant /past dictated that he be considered "armed & dangerous".
Through numerous eyewitness accounts, he had a friggin' knife.
The knife can be clearly seen in his right hand in the video (as I said) and the video analysis corroborates the fact.
He did not comply with NUMEROUS orders/requests to stay put. Mind you the passengers in the truck also told him to stay put or "you'll get shot".
Seems to me that even if the female passenger couldn't hear exactly what the cop said, she sure knew what he meant.

Concerning the cop "moving within danger range". It is stated and obvious from the video that the cop attempted to holster his weapon twice as he "moved into the danger range" but that was in anticipation of a hand to hand altercation, which actually shows the cops initial intent was NOT to shoot him. Him moving was simply to better position himself to give chase or throw blows. It is kinda obvious now.

One other consideration, given the officers initial position with weapon drawn (as shown by his shadow in the video/pics) if he did NOT move and was forced to discharge his weapon the female passenger would have been in the line of fire as well. So the officer moving was also to get a more clear/safe sight picture on the target. If he did not move he would have been forced, if needed, to fire through the rear window of the vehicle further increasing the odds of a bullet hitting an unintended target.
The more I consider it, he had no alternative but to reposition himself or allow the suspect to escape.

He only re-drew his weapon when the guy exited with a knife clearly visible.

Oh, and I guess I was wrong about something. I thought the threat range for a knife was considered ten feet, apparently it's 21 feet.


I also find it interesting that it was a"friend" who called the police and warned them that he was armed. Guy must have been a real classy and upstanding citizen that his friends turn him in.

Also noteworthy is how the driver and passenger suddenly become silent and the drivers story changed AFTER talking to the families lawyer. Hmmmm, pay-off maybe?


Voyage, I really don't get why you are so upset with other members over this?
You almost act as if the guy was executed.
His life choices and lifestyle placed him in the circumstances that resulted in this violent death, not the police officer who was unfortunate enough to be the one to have to end it.

Yes every life is unique and precious and each person is a "one-off" never to be repeated, but don't you think good old Ernie is much more responsible for his demise then the cop who had to pull the trigger?

The officer was well within all manner of protocol and the shooting has been deemed "justifiable" and from my limited perspective based on the video and report, I concur.
It sucks, it's tragic, but sadly it is the show we are performing in at this time, so.....

The report did not find that excessive force was used.
The officer really did pretty much all he could to NOT kill the guy.
I guess he should have holstered his weapon and waited to see what Ernie had in mind. I'm sure good ol' Ernie was going to gently hand the knife over and peacefully lay on the ground, but his foot got caught.


And does his foot getting caught in the seatbelt AFTER being told numerous times to SIT DOWN OR YOU'LL GET SHOT not just by the cop, but by the other occupants of the truck, and then he stands up and adopts an aggressive stance with knife in hand, BEFORE realizing his foot is tangled in the belt?

Naw, I'm gonna guess him getting tangled up didn't have a lot to do with it.

Voyage I consider you a good internet bud, but that report really doesn't support your position.

 

Excellent reply dude :2thumbsup:

It's a shame that some of these "grown ups" on here havent quite grown up yet and still hate all authority for whatever reason. Cuz they cant smoke weed legally or some bull shit like that.

This other wise well written out post by noxiousgas will just go over their heads.

remind me to +rep you when it lets me.

 

yea guys pls grow up and stop hating authority just because they take your pot.. This hero had the right to be scared for his life! did you see how dark that mexican's skin was?

 

Nox, I'm seeing that somehow in my words I'm conveying the impression I'm sincerely upset with people and taking any of this personal. Truly man, I'm not. Help me see what you see so I can look at how I phrase things.

A couple of points that keep going around about what i've said.
1. I don't "hate cops". I'm glad we have them and they're just like everyone else. Some great. Some not. And everything in between. It's a tough job but I'm glad there are those that choose to do it.
2. I've never in anyway defended Ernie's past. I've said it's sad to use that past as a way to dismiss him as a person, to argue "he got what he deserved". Not one of the past facts, IE irrefutable convictions, are punishable by death. If he indeed got what he had coming, it is due to his actions shown in the video not the past.
3. I've never intended to insinuate the cop went in with a plan to shoot him. I see nothing at all that indicates that.

Thanks for calling me an internet bud. I consider you the same not because I know you but because I've read your postings going way back in your PB days, not just here but other sites. You're a reasoned and thoughtful person and smart as hell. You and one or two others actually gave this considered thought, not just spouting off with inflammatory crap.
But hey, as you say, welcome to hipforums right? :2thumbsup:

 

i.e. Quick Draw Mcgraw had a itchy trigger-finger, jumped off Baba Looey, or as Howard Stern would say Baba Booey, and opened up on an unarmed man because he was afraid of what he might be carrying



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