California cop shoots unarmed man eleven times

I have in fact spoken with police officers and have friends with concealed carry permits. One the THE primary things you are told is that when you pull your weapon be prepared to kill, and do NOT shoot to wound, shoot to KILL. In a situation that insanely fast and heated with a man the cop obviously knew a history on I don't think any one of us know what was going through his head. The guy literally flew out of the truck and then reached back inside, there was no indication whatsoever that he was going to comply with what the cop said, as a matter of fact he did exactly what he said NOT TO DO. Just by his words and his actions I know the adrenaline running through hm and the fear he felt for his life. I can guarantee you he will have to think about this and live with this decision for the rest of his life but he did what he felt was right in order to protect himself.

 

wow, people are still able to reason, thank you

 

Responding to unexpected additional threatening movement is another important facet. A person who is down after apparently being shot could be faking it or not injured enough to incapacitate him. The person can then shoot at you. It's a common mistake made by beginners to assume a situation is now safe. Law enforcement officials go through many simulations (videos, actors) where these scenarios are placed on them. The instructor will usually say things to the trainee such as 'Stay on him!'

 

You're right and in 10 years the cop out of guilt for killing an innocent unarmed man will quietly and conveniently put a bullet in his own head and the matter will be settled and justice served


hotwater

 

yeah it,s ok for cops to shoot people.
this has been disscussed many times before.

 

Here's my problem with what you said Bonz~
There's been several comments about "shoot to kill" in addition to inferences that life isn't like tv and movies. It's not a shoot to kill vs shoot to injure issue.
Maybe, you're buying into the media hype with this 'omg he fired 13 bullets!!!' sensationalism and putting that on me and other posters. It's not about he unloaded his weapon, to "shoot to kill".

Again, the cop put himself in danger.

Have any of those cops you spoke to said that the first thing to do is to close the gap and run up to a life threating suspect? Are they trained to escalate situations?
Absolutely the adrenaline was flowing, of course no one knows what went thru their minds. The thing is the cop has the upper hand. He's sitting there waiting, that's when they can assess, level their thinking. Are they not trained to control the scene, not escalate it out of control?

You can all stop theorizing what the video shows. Here is the expert analysis. Read it or stfu.

http://www.news10.net/assetpool/documents/121213031330_121112-DUENEZ-PROTOCOL.pdf

Any one can plainly see that the cop ran up into the danger radius long before the suspect got out of the truck. Is that what they're trained to do?

Note that the guys families claim that he got tangled up in the seatbelt is highlighted by the fact that the back up cops had to cut the seatbelt off his foot to free him. (pg 37)

Think that had anything to do with what went down???

Here's my problem with saying things like "life isn't like movies, when you face a life threatening person you shoot to kill".

Taking someones life isn't like the fucking movies either.

Saying the guy is a dirtbag, de-humanizing him, acting like he had it coming to him anyways, is just wrong in my book. There's way too many comments here of that kind.
So, is it ok if one of the people making comments like that happens to have been convicted before, someone makes some unverified claim against them, cop comes to question you and you make a wrong move and he unloads his weapon on you?

First they came for the socialists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.

Think about it.

 

the officer said "dont move ernie or ill shoot you"

he did not obey

 

Sure are johnny on the spot with the comment. :hurray:
Glad you were waiting all day for me to respond.

The cops also say "don't smoke weed".

I hope you don't ever make a bad judgement and git kilt r0llin. Mean that Sir.

 

i would never stoop so low as to have a pretty major criminal background and run from the police. but thanks voyage

why do you keep saying ur done with this thread than keep coming back?

you hungry for more?

 

I'd hope you wouldn't. You seem like too straight a guy to get mixed up in shit like that guy did.

Here, i'll pat you on the back for being such a stand up guy.

However, please do post where I said I was done.

I must have been high on drugs if I did cause I don't recall that post.

 

I misread.. i guess you were going to work. and were done for the night.

Anyways, dont you think he could have saved his own life by not acting like an idiot for the latter part of his life?

He brought it on himself

 

Said that yesterday afternoon.

But ya dude I do, and even said as much. I wouldn't do that, you probably wouldn't either. Nor do the shit he did in his past.

 

The thing is nobody really knows if he was trying to comply with the cop and his foot got caught in the seat belt causing him to lurch and fall, which to the officer may have looked like he was doing something else.

Not sticking up for him and not calling the cop irresponsible... Just saying that nobody knows and may never know.

 

You know I really do not usually get myself involved in long drawn out arguments where people keep repeating the same things over and over again and no one ever changes their mind. Which is also why I planned to make my ONE post and be done. But since Mr Voyage here felt the need to personally message me his response to my post, I will make one last statement. First and foremost your reply had almost nothing to do with what i said and it rambles on almost nonsensically. My post had only to do with what the officers state of mind was and how quickly situations like that unravel and that trying to look back in hindsight and judge him is easy when you aren't the one who's life was thought to be in danger. Yes i read the report in its entirety, yes the officer is not perfect. I am really sorry you have chosen to take this so personally and that things didn't go how you would have liked them to. But to sit here and bicker back and fourth about what we think is right or wrong I just think is a complete waste of time. How can anyone truly judge a life and death situation without being in that exact situation themselves. Good luck with your postings and ramble on

 

Wasn't he the passenger trying to get out of the drivers side of the vehicle? I think that's right. That's probably why he got his foot caught. Does anybody know what happened to the driver or why he was jumping out of the drivers side if he was the passenger?

 

Generally, I make an effort to remain cordial even when responding / replying with disagreement. This time I feel compelled to make an exception and just say... BULL-FUCKING-SHIT !!

 

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he was trying to run away. There was no one else in the car

 

Ok, so he's driving, he pulls up, he jumps into the passenger seat, and then jumps from the passenger seat into the drivers seat while trying to get out of the car at the same time? Very strange.

 

look at his past. he's done things a lot more strange than that

 

well, if they were running at me pointing a gun saying "don't smoke weed or i'll shoot you," i probably wouldn't smoke weed.

it seems like if you're trying to comply with a "don't move" order, leaping out of your vehicle is not the way to do it.

but i agree, most likely we'll never know. people love to decide what happened in a situation where they can't know what happened, and argue for days about it.

in america, the driver's side is on the left when looking from behind.