Ooo..karma threats. I'd explain it more but it's already all been said and I'd be wasting my keystrokes since you've obviously haven't read anything anyone else has written or if you have, you've given it zero real thought. You've offered little to no real debate except some vague and cliche one liners tossed together. I hear by leave this brick wall for others to bang their head against. "If I'm jumpy I might popcorn and do some flips That's the message that I deliver to little pigs I expect them to know how to pop a little jig of course they gotta know what happy dancn' is Like the time they got their first hay The know what timothy hay is don't they? " -Bing Cavy
Seriously, find something better to do Our bunnies are at the moment running freely around our house and have been doing so for several hours today. This is their routine. Here are some shots of them enjoying their freedom Do you want to know what happens to a lot of rexes like Luna in the photo? Theyre kept in tiny crates where they cannot even move around, with wire on a shitty floor, and they are killed for fur and meat, or used as breeding machines We rescued Luna, like we rescued all our other babies, took them into warm shelter with love and protection like i would give to a human child I dont know if this is some kind of joke to you or if youre just a nutter, but seriously, dont jump to conclusions. Without us, God knows where our bunnies would be. I know for a fact at least 1 would not be alive today. And youre having a go at me because they go into a giant playpen at night time? Oh please! Pathetic
laeyne I thought about you today while driving past a dead ran over cat in the middle of the street, and I thought to myself, "well, thank god that it's not in someones house in a cage"
Thanx so much! They are all happy, i know they are, they dont mind their bed time one bit! Weve taken some in from absolutely horrendous conditions, some from crates where they couldnt turn around, with a massive array of medical problems, who were obviously in much pain. Of course THIS kind of caging is so wrong its tragic, but i cant believe anyone would seriously have a go at us for taking her in from that, giving her free run of the house all day, bunny friends, good food, shelter, vet checks, regular attention, then putting her in a large pen at night time so she doesnt electrocute herself or anything while we sleep. Im sure any sane person can see the difference We also have an old girl called Charlie who is nearing 11 years old now! We have put her in a pen because she has pasteurella, a sometimes fatal and incurable bunny disease, which we dont want the other 5 to catch. It would be interesting to hear what lae believes we should do with her. It was pen her up with access to the yard, put her down, or let all the others catch this disease and die Anyway thanx again
laeyne, i think that you are either very very stupid or very very misimformed. incase you didnt noyice you put this thread on a animal lovers thread. its actually quite pointless of you to be yakking on about animal cruelty of cages here. i suggest that you take these vague accusations and go to animalhaters.com or something.....seriosly, are you trying to tell me that a cage the size of a human room lined in fleece is not good enough? that keeping a diseased but happy bunny alive to see another day is wrong? to put your pet in a safe and secure habitat is cruel? maim....i have to say ive met some lunatics (i live across fron a sanitarium) but deary me you certainly take the bill. and as for you karma b.s. thank you for wishing me good luck. (btw, i myself have a rabbit in a relitivly large cage that gets a mild cleanig daily and a heavy one on saturdays. my bunny gets 1-2 fresh carrots a week [the big ones not baby] and one apple slice daily. he also gets 2 hours out of cage to run free on week days and 5 hours on weekends. i admit my cage could be bigger but then again i live in a small apartment my self. he may not have bunny friends but my cat treats him like a kitten, he loves it so i dont complain. and know what? HE IS HAPPY!!! -psychotically yours -Rebekah
"there is an industry, out there making money on the pets and the food and the cages... just think about it.... they say: look at the pet, and it will say something about the owner: it does work. If you need to keep a pet in a cage, that means that maybe a part of you is not free. maybe you are like a pet in a cage, but you dont know about it?" first of all: so what if someones making money off of good pet care? if your that comercial maybe you shouldnt own a pet. second of all: if what you say is true about the owner being reflected in the pet, then your basicly insinuateing that i need to be safe (hence the cage) that i am fat (JUST A BIT CHUBBY DAMNIT!! ) and that i like carrots.(i do but noy as much as ma bunna boi ) -psychotically yours -Rebekah
Good one. Okay, I agree that sometimes people don't know what they're doing and the cages they get for their pets are too small, not cleaned often enough, damaging to the feet, etc, but that doesn't mean that all cages are bad. If you're suggesting that we should just leave those domesticated animals that have been bred to rely on us for their survival to die, you've got another thing coming. Wiping out a species as a way to stop that species from suffering is the dumbest shit I've ever heard (but I have heard it from other animal extremists), so if that's what you're trying to say, then you're not going to find many supporters here.
This thread is beginning to resemble a flat-earth argument. If I scream the exact same thing loud enough & often enough, maybe I'll convince someone else too! (totally off-subject, but CONGRATULATIONS Verseau!!! Getting REALLY close now!!!) love, mom
I was thinking about this the other day, I decided that the only way to give a small pet 'freedom' and safety would be to install a plexiglass kinda floor and let it roam underneath (obviously you'd have trapdoors to put food into and some way of letting it roam a bit outside too. The logistics of that would be rather ridiculous though. Nice work on the rabbit rescue. That's how I think all pets should be obtained. Buying Pedigree is wrong on so many levels it's unbelievable.
What if you never knew any different? What if you were born into it? You need to understand that the survival instincts of these animals have been bred out of them. They would have no idea how to survive in the wild, so setting them free would mean CERTAIN DEATH. Basically, you would be sentencing to death an animal that was never able to make an informed decision, because, unfortunately, we cannot explain to them in their language the pros and cons of each environment. We can't warn them about what's to come or teach them how to survive- not these animals that have been bred to be domestic. Once again, if you suggest killing them all, you're just not going to have any credibility in this thread. Setting them free is killing them... ...which is my biggest gripe with the ALF, who set lab animals free to infect the world with disease and die of starvation and exposure... TRUE animal lovers understand the animals' limitations and work with it, rather than resorting to extremes based on our own preferences...
Quite a lot of the time, the ALF will make sure they can re-home animals safely before liberating them though.
The biggest mistake you are making, then, is humanizing animals. People who view cages in this matter are mistaken that they are seeing things from the animal's point of view. They think as though they are a human and wrongly assume the animal feels the same way. Sure, YOU'D rather die than be in a cage for the rest of your life. But guess what? You aren't an animal. An animal is not you. So this argument doesn't even have anything to do with animals in a cage. You probably sit around and talk for hours about how much your cat "loves you" - guess what, it doesn't really love you. It may have fondness for you because you are familiarity and a source of food and other things it needs, but it does not LOVE YOU. It's an ANIMAL. They do NOT think or feel the same way we do in any way, shape, or form. They live in the moment for the most part. They do not sit there and think about how there's this big wide world beyond the bars of their cage, all they are thinking about is what's a few inches in front of their nose, and the path to the water bottle or their favorite place to shit. On the way back from there, they see a toy or exercise equipment and decide to play with/on it. They enjoy what they can see beyond their cage, because that's all it is, what's beyond their cage, they have no perception of being held back from it, unless it's a giant piece of food and even then they aren't sad and moaning and groaning becuase their life sucks since they can't get past the bars... they will simply begin finding a path to the food. They are not escaping the cage, they are mistakenly attemptng to dig through the plastic bottom to get to the food. But they aren't sad because they can't do it. They have no concept of depression, other than possibly distress over losing a former cage mate and their daily routine being messed up. If the cage is clean, and big enough, and there is enough food, water, and entertainment within it as well as contact with another animal or human, then all the animal's needs are met. That's all that concerns it. You might as well be arguing that the bricks on our houses don't want to be stuck to our houses, that the bricks should be allowed to roam free and that the brick's lives are horrible and they are depressed because they are all clumped together in tight quarters and don't get to roam and get no food and water... I mean come on. You're attributing emotions to something that simply does not have them to the degree that we do nor about the same things we do. Go get a pet brick, put it in your front yard, shut up, and be happy that you are doing your part to speak on behalf of the brick and showing by example how we should all realize how bricks have feelings just like we do and we should let them roam free. Because at least bricks won't suffer at the hands of your humanizing ways.
oh geez. ive had many caged animals and they have huge ass cages and get plenty of time out everyday. they have all seen cages as their home and not a prison. some ppl abuse cages and dont trreat animals properly. do you suggest no one owns animals that have to be caged?
Think about it this way...a cage is simply their home..a lot of dogs love their crates, it's the same concept for smaller animals too. Now, having a cage that is too small for the animal, or using a crate with a dog for punishment reasons is cruel. I used to have pet rats, they had a huge cage that was meant for a bunny, stuff to play with, nesting boxes, and i took them out for socialization. They were very happy creatures, and loved their home!
Aside from crate training a dog/puppy, I absolutely HATE seeing animals in cages and do not have particular pets for that reason. Some people take the time and have the space to create a habitat, which to me... is much, much better. It seems there are a lot of loving pet owners here who really make an effort to make a little home for their animals. But from what I've typically seen... the animal seems to spend the entire time trying to get OUT of the cage! So I just can't do it. Not for me.
